November 2005 Combos Posted!!

[Streetz]

This thread is reserved for discussing, debating, questioning, adding or whatever the combos that have been posted for November 2005.

Link:
http://www.magicdeckvortex.com/COMBOS_2005_11.htm

Please discuss.

Note: There are several infinite combos within and even a few combos using Ravnica cards. Please enjoy.

[Yusuke]

ok... youve got a problem... lemme point something out

Transcendence and Form Of The Dragon: When your life resets, you gain or LOSE life. quoted from official rulings:

Oct 4, 2004 - If you life total was above 5 at end of turn, then you lose life to make your total 5. If it was less than 5, you gain life to bring it to 5.
so if you are over 5 (lets say... 13), at the end of the turn, you lose 8 life, then gain 16, putting you over 20, killing you. bombo... sry XD

-Yusuke, [Academy] Rector

[Streetz]

Originally posted by Yusuke
ok... youve got a problem... lemme point something out

Transcendence and Form Of The Dragon: When your life resets, you gain or LOSE life. quoted from official rulings:

Oct 4, 2004 - If you life total was above 5 at end of turn, then you lose life to make your total 5. If it was less than 5, you gain life to bring it to 5.
so if you are over 5 (lets say... 13), at the end of the turn, you lose 8 life, then gain 16, putting you over 20, killing you. bombo... sry XD

-Yusuke, [Academy] Rector

Good catch. Combo being replaced.

EDIT: Page has been posted. Link added to the first post. Enjoy!

[thegeneralpublic]

The Swine/Shield combo can also work with That Whcih Was Taken, or Darksteel Forge/Mycosynth Lattice

[magicthegathering]

use use spawning pit to sac a creature putting 4 1/1 counter's on spawning pit pay 1 get 2 2/2's then when everone dies just sac them in response for infinite 2/2's

[Einsteinmonkey]

Originally posted by magicthegathering
use use spawning pit to sac a creature putting 4 1/1 counter's on spawning pit pay 1 get 2 2/2's then when everone dies just sac them in response for infinite 2/2's

Whoa...Spawning Pit + Doubling Season + Mana Echoes = infinite creatures!

[Death_By_Beebles]

Anything involving both mana echoes and doubling season better be an infinite combo :P :lol:

[Zelieth]

As it is described in the combo page, the Kiki-Jiki and Breath of Fury combo doesn't work. Kiki's tokens die at the end of every turn. You couldn't stock them up. It also shouldn't matter that the other creature be a hasted creature, as Kiki will make the copy hasted. You'd need Kiki and 2 non-token creatures. One to make copies of, and the other to use as fodder for the Breath. Use kiki to copy a good flyer or trampler, attack with the fodder and the trampler (With breath on the fodder.) Make sure the fodder hits. This will cause everything to untap, and kill the fodder creature. Swap the Breath onto the token, and use Kiki to make another token. Attack with both tokens, and repeat the process. If you want the other route, have Kiki copy your trampler/flyer (NOW the original must have haste, assuming you played the attacking creature this turn.) Put the enchantment on either the original or token, attack with both, make sure they get through, lose one, put the enchant on the other, and have Kiki copy the one that's left. Kiki is allowed to copy tokens so it won't matter which you use.

[Limited]

Originally posted by Zelieth
As it is described in the combo page, the Kiki-Jiki and Breath of Fury combo doesn't work. Kiki's tokens die at the end of every turn.

You can actually.
Not really stock them up, but you can have two in one turn by playing Kiki's ability during your opponents end of turn step. End of turn triggers are already on the stack, so you won't have to sacrifice that token until your end ot turn step.

I think the Telekinetic bonds - Lotus Vale- Cephalid Broker combo is invalid though. It doesn't loop after the six described steps; the Vale is now tapped. Here a new break down:

1. Broker, Vale and Bonds in play (untapped, stack empty)
2. Tap Vale (Broker Untapped, Vale Tapped, UUU in pool, stack: empty)
3. Tap Broker (Broker Tapped, Vale Tapped, UUU in pool, stack: Broker Ability)
4. Broker ability resolves (Broker Tapped, Vale Tapped, UUU in pool, stack: Bonds trigger on Broker, Bonds trigger on Vale)
5. Bonds trigger resolves, you pay 1U (Broker Tapped, Vale Untapped, U in pool, stack: Bonds trigger on Broker)
6. Tap Vale (Broker Tapped, Vale Tapped, UUUU in pool, stack: Bonds trigger on Broker)
7. Bonds trigger resolves, you pay 1U (Broker Untapped, Vale Tapped, UU in pool, stack: Empty)
8. Tap Broker (Broker Tapped, Vale Tapped, UU in pool, stack: Broker's ability)
Here is were thing start going wrong.. is there a good set of targets for the two triggers?
9. Broker's Ability Resolves (Broker Tapped, Vale Tapped, UU in pool, stack: Bonds trigger on Broker?, Bonds trigger on Vale?)
10. Bonds trigger resolves, you pay 1U (Broker Tapped, Vale Untapped, Nothing in pool, stack: Bonds trigger on Broker?)
11. Tap Vale (Broker Tapped, Vale Tapped, UUU in pool, stack:Bonds trigger on Broker?)
12. Bonds trigger resolves, you pay 1U (Broker Untapped, Vale Tapped, U in pool, stack:Empty)

And were studk. You don't have enough mana to untap your Vale when you use your Broker again.
If we were to target the Vale twice in Step 9, we won't have an untapped Broker to give us more Telekinetic Bonds triggers.

So, not a combo?

[Aneximines]

Yes, the cycle costs four mana each time, so you'd need a permanent you could tap for at least five mana if you wanted limitless mana (or for four mana, if you just want to be able to put your library into your graveyard).

You could put a couple of Fertile Grounds on the Vale. Or you could use Tolarian Academy with enough artifacts. Or Wirewood Channeler with enough Elves.

By the way, this combo is limited by the size of your library, unless you use a couple of cards in your deck that shuffle themselves into your library when discarded, like Darksteel Colossus, Legacy Weapon, and Serra Avatar.

[Limited]

Originally posted by Aneximines+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aneximines)</div><div class='quotemain'>You could put a couple of Fertile Grounds on the Vale[/b]
One would be enough ;)

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That's the whole idea.. you can use the Broker's ability on target player. If the combo would work, you could mill your opponents deck (unless he has stuff like a DC, Legacy Weapon etc)

About the Fecundity/Tombstone Stairwell combo: just wanted to be sure that everyone gets that every player draws cards for each creature they control, so the Zombie tokens that your opponents get let them draw cards, even though they are going to your graveyard.

(I didn't think the description was entirely clear..)

[thegeneralpublic]

I've got a few new combos...

Nevinyrral’s Disk and Darksteel Forge
Mindslaver, Vedalken Orrery and Trade Secrets or Choice of Damnations, Illicit Autction, Theives' Auction, Mages' Contest, Pain’s Reward

[PerfectCell]

Twiddle+Ashnod's Coupon+Mindslaver+Donate, anyone? They make you fetch them a soda, all for the low price of them conceding. I know it's not legal, but that doesn't make it any less amusing.

[UyOwned]

@perfectcell... quite amusing. As long as we're taking that route:

donate + donate + mindslaver + mox lotus + collector protector = your opponent gives you all his nonland cards (or concedes....)

[magicthegathering]

infinite tirn combo

survival of the fitist+burning wish+genisis+bop+eternal witness
survival a genisis the have wish in deck with some birds to create red . walk then witness then next extra turn genisis the witness. BAM infinite turn combo. :getdown: :getdown:

[skeletalpeacock]

Twiddle+Ashnod's Coupon+Mindslaver+Donate, anyone? They make you fetch them a soda, all for the low price of them conceding. I know it's not legal, but that doesn't make it any less amusing. While interesting, and hilarious, I prefer to get it off on turn one for 0 mana with R&D's Secret Lair and Ashnod's Coupon. Then again is debatable as to what that would exactly accomplish because you ignore your payment of the cost but it doesn't exactly say they have to pay for it instead... But if you have a soda in a safe and only you know where the key is you can target that soda saying for only a million dollars,your ps2,your wife,your dog...etc you can keep playing! I mean they still have to get it by any means other than your payment.... and this method makes ashnod's coupon a one card combo! If you dont have the safe you can rig a vending machine to cost all their magic cards and in exchange for a soda! (would that deck them the next turn if they did it?)

[Yusuke]

there is also some kind of combo with the coupon and r&d's secret lair that can let you gain control of the entire world's liquid supply, but i cant remember it currently

[skeletalpeacock]

Another good way to storm for infinite is something i've been using for a while now. You can use cloudstone curio with the kobolds. Dont know what the kobolds are? Theyre a series of 0 cost red creatures from legends, highly affordable after dropping a curio and easy to make into a deck due to neither peice having a color in its mana cost. Fun to build a deck around! Im 11-1-0 with it!

[Yusuke]

as is my friend..... dude, i cant tell you this later, the avvy is WAY too big. Please reduce its size or get a new avatar. Thank you.

[Ultima66]

Here is THE Ashnod combo:

1: Secret Lair
2: Ashnod's Coupon
3: Target a drink you own
4: Set a price of $1,000,000 on the drink you own
5: They must do one of the following-
-Steal the drink from you in order to give to you, so you just sue them for stealing
-Pay $1,000,000 for the drink so you get your own drink and $1,000,000
-Forfeit to make themselves an invalid target for the Coupon
-Or they could convince you to give them the drink for free but then that means you suck at trickgin people

No Mindslaver/Donate crap involved. Just abuse of the wording of the card.