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Mogg

01-09-2007, 05:39 PM

Welcome to another round of 5CB!

The moxes continue to be banned for this round. I want to get a better sense of what the format is like without them.

Rules, Winning Decks, Banned Cards and threads for all previous games are in the spoiler.

These are the rules for Vanishing 5 Card Blind:
Your deck is composed of 5 cards which all start in your hand.
Your library contains 0 cards and you don’t have a sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing).
Random effects always go in your opponent's favor.
You can see your opponent's hand, so you make the best possible play.
You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card.
You play each opponent twice; once going first and once going second.
For each win, you score 3 points.
For each draw, you score 1 point.
For each loss, you score 0 points.

Two rules restrict the kind of deck you can send. They are:
1.You may not submit a deck that can win before the opponent's first main phase.
2.You may not submit a deck that can force an opponent to lose more than one card from his hand per turn.

Other than the aforementioned, everything is handled exactly like a real game of Magic.

If you want to play, PM me a message with a heading similar to "Vanishing 5 Card Blind Tournament". The format for the message should be:
Card #1
Card #2
Card #3
Card #4
Card #5

The "Vanishing" part is the twist. After each round, the cards in the winning deck and any cards in at least 1/3 of the decks for that round will be banned for all future rounds.

------------ Winning Decks so far: ------------

- Round #1 [ Mogg ] : Swords to Plowshares + Plains + Mishra's Factory
- Round #2 [ Pingele_Pats ] : Maze of Ith + Scalding Tongs + Ancient Tomb
- Round #3 [ Pingele_Pats ] : Ancient Spring + The Rack + Balance
- Round #4 [ Pingele_Pats ] : Strip Mine + Æther Vial + Faceless Butcher
- Round #4 [ Mogg ] : Mishra's Workshop + Steel Golem + Trinisphere
- Round #5 [ Mogg ] : Wasteland + Lion's Eye Diamond + Nether Spirit
- Round #6 [ Mogg] : Mox Pearl + Soldevi Sentry + Ghost Quarter
- Round #7 [ Hiakashi ] : Mox Sapphire + Ancient Den + Meddling Mage
- Round # 7 [ Pingele_Pats ] : Blinkmoth Nexus + Mox Jet + Mesmeric Fiend
- Round #8 [ Mogg ] Bayou + Blackmail + Rogue Elephant
- Round #8 [ Pingele_Pats ] Bayou + Blackmail + Rogue Elephant
- Round #9 [ Pingele_Pats ] City of Traitors + Isochron Scepter + Lightning Helix
- Round #10 [ Mogg ] Mercadian Bazaar + Flame Fusillade + Urza's Contact Lenses
- Round #10.5 [ Pingele_Pats ] Lotus Bloom + Lotus Bloom + The Cheese Stands Alone
- Round #11 [ Yezzandrix ] Gemstone Mine + Restore Balance + Durkwood Baloth
- Round #12 [ Mogg ] Chain of Vapor + Keldon Halberdier + Volcanic Island
- Round #13 [ Mogg ] Channel + Darksteel Colossus + Force of Will + Hickory Woodlot + Misdirection
- Round #13 [ Pingele_Pats ] Force of Will + Echoing Truth +
Undiscovered Paradise + Yavimaya Hollow + Nezumi Shortfang
- Round #14 [ RichardMNixon ] Karakas + Leyline of Singularity + Isamaru, Hound of Konda + Savannah Lions + Mox Pearl
- Round #15 [ Pingele_Pats ] Snow-Covered Island + Mana Crypt + Show and Tell + Form of the Dragon + Feldon’s Cane
- Round #16 [ Cashew ] Mox Ruby + Mox Jet + Dark Ritual + Rift Bolt + Empty the Warrens
- Round #17 [ Mogg ] Duress + Innocent Blood + Kjeldoran Outpost + Orzhov Basilica + Scrubland
- Round #18 [ Mogg ] Conjurer's Bauble + Crystal Vein + Illusionary Mask + Phyrexian Dreadnought + Rishadan Port

--------------Current banned list--------------

All Ante cards
All Promo cards not available on Gatherer/Autocard
All Unglued and Unhinged Card (excluding basic land)

Æther Vial
Ancient Spring
Ancient Tomb
Balance
Black Lotus
Blackmail
Blinkmoth Nexus
Chain of Vapor
Channel
City of Traitors
Conjurer's Bauble
Crystal Vein
Dark Ritual
Darksteel Colossus
Duress
Durkwood Baloth
Echoing Truth
Empty the Warrens
Faceless Butcher
Feldon’s Cane
Flame Fusillade
Force of Will
Form of the Dragon
Gemstone Mine
Ghost Quarter
Illusionary Mask
Innocent Blood
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Isochron Scepter
Karakas
Keldon Halberdier
Kjeldoran Outpost
Leyline of Singularity
Lightning Helix
Lion's Eye Diamond
Lotus Bloom
Mana Crypt
Maze of Ith
Meddling Mage
Mesmeric Fiend
Misdirection
Mishra's Factory
Mishra's Workshop
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Nether Spirit
Nezumi Shortfang
Phyrexian Dreadnought
Restore Balance
Rift Bolt
Rishadan Port
Rogue Elephant
Savannah Lions
Scalding Tongs
Show and Tell
Soldevi Sentry
Steel Golem
Strip Mine
Swords to Plowshares
The Rack
Trinisphere
Undiscovered Paradise
Wasteland
Yavimaya Hollow

Compiled 3CB, 4CB and 5CB threads:

3CB
Round 1: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=1796
Rounds 2 and 3: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=2084
Round 4: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=2420
Round 5: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=2619
Round 6: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=2913
Round 7: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=3330
Round 8: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=3744
Round 9: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=4292
Round 10: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=4640
Round 11: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=4919
Round 12: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5071
Round 13: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5335
Round 14: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5430
Round 15: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5508
Round 16: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5664

4CB
Round 1: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5596

5CB
Round 1: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5173
Round 2: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5280
Round 3: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5327
Round 4: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5511
Round 5: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5598
Round 6: http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=5683

January Standings:

1. Mogg 74% (53/72)
2. Cashew 67% (48/72)
3. Death_By_Beebles 56% (40/72)
4. SenorClown 47% (34/72)
4. Niv-Mizzet_Rulez! 47% (34/72)
5. Halinn 22% (16/72)
6. DarkRequiem 18% (13/72)

Each month will have a winner based on the rounds that finished in that month. A person’s monthly score is expressed as a percent. This percent results from dividing the points a person received by the points that person could have received for the rounds that person participated in. I’m doing it this way so that someone who misses a round still has a chance to win.

Additions to the banned list after last round are Conjurer's Bauble, Crystal Vein, Illusionary Mask, Phyrexian Dreadnought and Rishadan Port.

Post in this thread if you're interested in playing. Decklists are due Monday, January 15th.

The cards in my deck for this round start with the letters R, R, S, S, S.

Good luck and be creative!

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-09-2007, 06:21 PM

I am in.*starts to plot for a mean deck*:plotting:

DarkRequiem

01-09-2007, 06:28 PM

I'm in.

Mogg

01-09-2007, 06:36 PM

Current list of players:
*= Decklist Received

Mogg*
SenorClown*
Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!*
DarkRequiem*
Cashew*
Halinn*
Death_By_Beebles*
Rayden_Marz*
Pingele_Pats

Also, note that I've added links for all previous 3CB, 4CB and 5CB threads to the first spoiler.

DarkRequiem

01-09-2007, 07:20 PM

Mine is sent. :)

guest1234

01-09-2007, 08:24 PM

I'm back! Wish I had my deck for the no-mox round though, cause I have no use for moxy this time!

EDIT: W00t no moxes this round!

Mogg

01-09-2007, 08:26 PM

This round is also no mox.

Death_By_Beebles

01-10-2007, 09:37 PM

I'm in!!

Rayden_Marz

01-11-2007, 05:42 AM

I'm in...

Pingele_Pats

01-11-2007, 03:37 PM

I'm in...
Welcome to the magical world called "X-CardBlind".
Looking forward to see your deck stranger! Good luck.

I'll try to find some time to participate this round.
*in*

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-11-2007, 06:40 PM

Question. If someone has to discard a card from their had at random what happens in this format?

SenorClown

01-11-2007, 06:59 PM

Random effects always go in your opponents favor. So, if you force an opponent to discard at random, you're essentially allowing them to pick and discard.

However, if you force yourself to discard, it's essentially allowing your opponent to pick. It's whatever is worst for the spell/ability's controller.

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-11-2007, 07:37 PM

Ok thanks.
I sent my deck. I like it. Even if i lose.

Mogg

01-11-2007, 07:55 PM

Wow, decklists are coming in quickly this time. It's nice with the decks to see a solid mixture of old and new decks, with one interesting trend developing.

Mogg

01-15-2007, 11:04 PM

The results are in! I've received a list from everyone except Pingele_Pats. He said in advance that he might not have time to come up with a list. I hope he's able to submit something next time.

Overall, one thing has become very clear in these moxless rounds. Play combo ftw! This round had only two control decks, played by Halinn and Death_By_Beebles. They did fine, but it seems that being able to mox out heavier disruption on turn one is a big deal. I decided to take advantage of this by using CJS's deck from a few rounds ago. It's capable of turn 2 wins and the Avatar doesn't ever really die, so it's semi-resistant to hate (but not very).

Eladamri's Vineyard was a very popular card this round. The combination of extra mana (a turn later) and a win condition is powerful indeed. I think it's only fair that Cashew had the best-placing vineyard deck since he's the one who seems to have popularized it in these last few rounds.

One final note; welcome Rayden_Marz! Debuting at third is pretty good and he's currently in third for monthly standings as well.

The next round will go up tomorrow once I've decided on a deck. Next round will be regular; moxes are unbanned. There will also be a poll to get your opinion on a couple things. Please don't send me lists until the next round goes up!

1) Mogg
Rite of Flame
Rite of Flame
Snow-Covered Mountain
Sneak Attack
Serra Avatar

2) Cashew
Eladamri's Vineyard
Reclaim
Treetop Village
Ensnaring Bridge
Forest

3) SenorClown
Havenwood Battleground
Havenwood Battleground
Eureka
Sky Swallower
Illusions of Grandeur

4) DarkRequiem
Mountain
Rite of Flame
Crushing Pain
Roc Hatchling
Ashnod's Transmogrant

5) guest1234
Eladamri's Vineyard
Eladamri's Vineyard
Eladamri's Vineyard
Forest
Wurmcalling

6) Halinn
Underground Sea
Encroach
Vendetta
Daze
Drifter il-Dal

7) Rayden_Marz
Crucible of Worlds
Fastbond
Zuran Orb
Hickory Woodland
God's Eye, Gate to the Reikai

8) Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!
Pacifism
Savannah
Eladamri's Vineyard
Dark Depths
Reclaim

9) Death_By_Beebles
Tropical Island
Eladamri's Vineyard
Words of Wind
Reclaim
Troll Ascetic

X||| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1||| X 6 6 6 3 4 6 6 6 43
2||| 0 X 0 6 0 6 2 6 6 26
3||| 0 6 X 6 6 0 0 6 6 30
4||| 0 0 0 X 0 2 0 0 0 2
5||| 3 6 0 6 X 6 0 6 6 33
6||| 1 0 6 2 0 X 6 3 3 22
7||| 0 2 6 6 6 0 X 6 6 32
8||| 0 0 0 6 0 3 0 X 0 9
9||| 0 0 0 6 0 3 0 6 X 15

January Standings:

1. Mogg 80% (96/120)
2. guest1234 69% (33/48)
3. Rayden_Marz 67% (32/48)
4. Cashew 62% (74/120)
5. SenorClown 53% (64/120)
6. Death_By_Beebles 46% (55/120)
7. Niv-Mizzet_Rulez! 36% (43/120)
8. Halinn 32% (38/120)
9. DarkRequiem 13% (15/120)

Each month will have a winner based on the rounds that finished in that month. A person’s monthly score is expressed as a percent. This percent results from dividing the points a person received by the points that person could have received for the rounds that person participated in. I’m doing it this way so that someone who misses a round still has a chance to win.

Halinn

01-16-2007, 09:51 AM

Hmm. Playing a creature with an upkeep cost took at least 7 points from me. Not so smart.

guest1234

01-16-2007, 01:23 PM

I wanted to play a Crucible/Fastbond combo for ages, but I could never find the card to pull it off. Good show, Rayden_Marz!

SenorClown

01-16-2007, 01:26 PM

Me vs. Death_By_Beebles
Current: 3-3
Should be: 6-0

On the draw...

D: Trop, Vineyard.
S: Havenwood Battleground. Burn for 2.
D: Words of Wind.
S: Use Vineyard mana + sac Battleground to play Eureka, dumping Sky Swallower and Illusions, passing Illusions over.
D: Even if he uses Words of Wind, he can't pay the upkp cost for Illusions, and if he bounces it with Words, he still loses 20 life.

I don't see any way for him to win this one.

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-16-2007, 04:09 PM

Yo mogg. Little help. go back through each link and fix them please.

guest1234

01-16-2007, 05:18 PM

Mogg, doesn't your deck break the rule, no Turn 1 win? Mountain, Tap, Rite, Rite, Sneak in Serra. She has haste. Attack for 20. game over. What am I missing?

Mogg

01-16-2007, 05:49 PM

@SenorClown
You're absolutely right. I managed to just forget that you get GG from Vineyard each turn. My thought process was that he could bounce a land every turn to keep you off the necessary mana. I'll fix that now.

@Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!
Comments like "go back through each link and fix them please" really don't help. If I knew which links didn't work, I'd probably have done them correctly the first time. Tell me which links specifically don't work.

@guest1234
It would cost 5 mana to do all that turn one. I only have 4 mana on turn 1. Therefore, I can't win until turn 2.

guest1234

01-16-2007, 06:10 PM

My oversight. okay, here are my contended matchups:
Vs SC, 6pts
Senor: Havenwood.
Me: forest, vineyard
Senor: Sac for Eureka, play SkySwallower
Me: vineyard, vineyard
Senor: 6pt mana burn, 8pt attack. Me: 12, Senor 14
Me: Wurm X is 3, with buyback.
Senor: Attack. Me: 4, Senor: 8
Me: attack for 3, Wurm, X is 3. Me: 4, Senor; 5
Senor: Burn for 6, at -1, cant attack.

If he don’t attack, I win off burn.

Vs Cashew, 6pts
I hold back 1 vineyard and 1 wurmcalling. Cashew can’t play reclaim because it has no targets. I make lots of 1-1 Wurms to stop the manland, then keep making more until I have 23. Then Attack.

Vs Dark requiem, 6pts
he manaburns to death long before the hatchling does me harm

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-16-2007, 06:29 PM

fine i post a few of the one i don't know.
Ashnod’s Transmogrant
and even though i know what it is the link is broken. Eladamri’s Vineyard

Mogg

01-16-2007, 06:49 PM

@guest1234
SenorClown will put Illusions of Grandeur into play before Sky Swallower. Because of this, you will gain control of Illusions of Grandeur. You'll lose from being unable to pay the cumulative upkeep cost before SenorClown dies from mana burn (he did gain 20 life, after all).

You're right about the matches with Cashew and DarkRequiem. I forgot that Cashew couldn't empty his hand, and DarkRequiem was just a typo. This'll bring your score up a lot. Thanks for pointing out the errors.

Congrats; you're now in second for January standings with a 2% lead over Rayden_Marz.

@Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!
I've tried the links you mentioned and they work fine. Did you actually click on the link or did you just see a bit of gibberish where the apostrophe should be and decide that it must be broken. I'm not sure why, but MDV often puts some seeminly random numbers in place of the apostraphe. The links still are fine if you actually click on them.

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-16-2007, 06:59 PM

no i click and one of those boxes came up when a card is miss spelled. for ex.kdjsdf(this is an extream example) Card Not Found

Mogg

01-16-2007, 07:17 PM

I've redone all the apostrophes. I noticed when I made the changes that the original apostrophes were a slightly different character. My speculation is that it appeared incorrectly because I copied my post from a word document. I hope it works better for you now.

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-16-2007, 07:27 PM

Thanks.
Man my deck sucked. I guess DD really is unplayable. Also i say we ban vineyard. Its getting used to much.

Mogg

01-16-2007, 07:49 PM

It gets banned by the rule that says if a card is played in at least a third of the decks it gets banned. Four out of nine people played it last round, which more than meets this requirement.

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-16-2007, 08:03 PM

Yes finally. So is the next round going to have moxen or not?

Mogg

01-16-2007, 08:18 PM

New thread is up now. Moxes included.

Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!

01-16-2007, 08:21 PM

Yes. Time to think of a deck.

guest1234

01-16-2007, 08:44 PM

Mogg

01-16-2007, 08:59 PM

The rules text for Eureka is "Starting with you, players take turns putting an artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card from their hands into play until no one wants to put another card into play."

Official rulings for the card include:
10/15/2006 Anything that triggers during the resolution of this will wait to be put on the stack until everything is put into play and resolution is complete.
10/4/2004 The cards are put into play and will not trigger effects which trigger on such cards being "played".
10/4/2004 The "take turns" means that each player get a chance to put a card in play starting with you and going around the table to the left (unless your multiplayer variant defines a different ordering). A player may decline to put a card into play when it is their turn. The spell ends when all players decline in a row.
10/4/2004 If the card has an X in its mana cost, treat X as zero.

I bolded the important stuff. This should clear up any confusion.

guest1234

01-16-2007, 10:19 PM

Wow, what a broken card! I had no idea! Next time maybe I'll try reading :paranoid:

Mogg

01-16-2007, 10:22 PM

Lol. Always a good idea. Failure to do so has lost me many games. :)

DarkRequiem

01-18-2007, 10:49 PM

Vs Dark requiem, 6pts
he manaburns to death long before the hatchling does me harm

Why is it I manaburn to death?

Mogg

01-19-2007, 12:07 AM

You get GGGGGG at the beginning of each of your precombat main phases and you have nothing to spend it on. Mana burn for six; every turn.