Newbie Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win

[Interpolled]

GAME STARTED.

Players:
1. Ichorid_Nightmare
3. The_Defiler!
4. Wugga the Mouse Wonder
5. Tekkactus
7. Yezzandrix

Dead:
6. Tynion - Day 1 - Vanilla Townie
2. reapandplant - Night 1 - Town Doctor

[Tynion]

Is there a story to start with? Or do we just start acusing each other?

[Interpolled]

just accuse away

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

I speculate, as to who it is, but i do not know, maybe when a meteor falls, i can find out. Until then, i vote tekk.

[Interpolled]

forgot to mention this.

ALL VOTES MUST BE BOLDED OR THEY WILL NOT COUNT/

[Tynion]

If he is voting Tekk, I can't be going around voting Tekk too. Sheesh, stealing my thunder! I think that one fo you is a Mafia member, or perhaps a couple of you are. *looks wryly around* But whom?

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

Fine. I vote:Tynion because he had to go accusing mafia peeps of being mafia peeps, and that ain't koo man! *grumbles* make fun of me, vote off tekk. vote off you. little mafia boy. *stops grumbling and muttering death oaths* JK.

[Interpolled]

antoher thing.
the vote has to be in the format vote: "name"

[reapandplant]

vote:ichorid_nightmarebecause he voted before me...

[Tynion]

What the heck kind of reasoning is that? I vote for you because you voted for me? Sheesh.. that will get us no where. Well, if they are dancing over there, who wants to dance with me? We can finger point back and forth, and maybe gesture wildly or something.

[reapandplant]

nope, i voted him because he voted you..., just the frist random thought passing my mind, so a random vote, that is what random voting in the beginning is all about...

[Tynion]

Wow *rubs my eyes* He did vote me! LOL, I will pay attention from here out, or try to anyways.

Well then, Ichorid, where were you on the night of the heinous crime that was not described but undoubtably commited?

FOS: Ichorid_Nightmare

[The_Defiler!]

Ah... and so the fun begins.

Well I know that most mafia games try to lean toward the ones who don't say much as being mafia but I wonder now about the exact opposite.:hmm:

Why is Tynion doing most of the talking? Are you nervouse? Do you have something to hide maybe? hmmm? FOS:Tynion

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Because it was not reposted, here is the list of players.

Players:
1. Ichorid_Nightmare
2. Reapandplant
3. The_Defiler!
4. Wugga the Mouse Wonder
5. Tekkactus
6. Tynion
7. Yezzandrix

7 players? That's kind of an odd number... This seems mighty suspicious to me.
FOS: Interpolled

[Tynion]

Ah... and so the fun begins.

Well I know that most mafia games try to lean toward the ones who don't say much as being mafia but I wonder now about the exact opposite.:hmm:

Why is Tynion doing most of the talking? Are you nervouse? Do you have something to hide maybe? hmmm? FOS:Tynion

It is not suscpicions of me to talk, its called newbie nervousness. Besides, I always talk. Its all I seem to do. Now, back to the point at hand, someone tell me where they were on the night of the murder, or rape, or ... what the hell did happen anyway?

Defiler, tell me, who is your daddy, and what does he do?

[The_Defiler!]

Oh you know him. He's kind of tall, very mucular, red all over, has a couple horns, a tail, hoofed feet, and usually walk around with trident and huge evil grin on his face. I'm pretty sure you know what he does too.;)

Why do you ask?

[Tynion]

Ah, just trying to dig up dirt.. and so lets see if I understand this. You are the son the most evil being ever even thought of.. interesting.. interesting....

...and I am to believe your not Mafia?

FOS: The Defiler and his father!

[The_Defiler!]

Well since we have no premise to go on, I think you're being racist. Just because I and my dad come from a more fun place than you do doesn't make me (or my dad) mafia.

So, Tynion, who's your dad? And what does he do?

[Tynion]

He's dead, and not inherently evil like your's I am not convinced here.. Lets look at how long you and your father and persecuted people.. Surely you can't be telling the truth if you claim to not be a bad guy.

[The_Defiler!]

Who said anything about good or bad? Are you blind? I mearly stated that my origins does not automatically make me mafia. Just like your dad (supposedly) not being inherently evil has no bearing on you not being mafia.

...and speaking of lying, you've already admitted to liking to talk a lot, so we now know you've got a silver tongue, so how can we know that you're not the one lying? Obviously, we can't. My FOS stands, and I'll include your father too!

[Tynion]

Oh, your a tricky one.. I'll keep an eye on you.. *narrows eyes*

[The_Defiler!]

Oh come on, no pithy comeback? What's the matter, black cat got your tongue?

[Tekkactus]

That's funny, the thread title says Newbie Mafia, but I swear I'm posting in Spammer Mafia.

FOS: Tynion

New players tend to be meek, but you're being quite the chatterbox. You're not really saying anything either. Let's try to avoid accusing Satan of mafia involvement, okay?

@Wugga: 7 players is standard newbie set-up. Unless that was a joke; then, shame on you too.

[Tynion]

Bah, no one had said anything interesting, so I thought I'd liven things up. No harm no foul.

As far as the chatterbox comment, look at my post count, I am gaining on you, so I'd say talking alot is not out of the ordinary. However, if it makes you feel better about it, I'll step back and let the quiet guys get accused now.

[Yezzandrix]

AS far as I can see, spamming is no crime worth death penalty. And I didn't get the feeling they where lying.

Even though this is my first mafia, Wikipedia told me that there are only two mafias. That means that in 1 of three cases, that lynch would hit a townie. And after that, the Mafia already has close to voting Mayority, killing one night one.

Therefor, mathematically speaking, I Vote: No lynch, since it seems to be a bad idea with no clues whatsoever aside that Tynion is having fun, Tekk holds meteors a-plenty and the defiler has pointy ears and a tail...

[Tynion]

But... don't you think that would be just burying our heads in the sand and waiting for processes of elimination to reveal who is mafia? Those two bad guys are standing here with us... they should pay for thier heinous crimes against society.

[The_Defiler!]

Tynion, just because we're not voting anyone for day 1 doesn't mean that we're doing nothing, or burying our heads in the sand as you put it. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that we can still solicit dialogue that will help us determine (or at least try to determine) who's who.

And untill we do have a better idea of who's who, it would be unwise to lynch someone this early in the game since mafia will get someone overnight anyway. Since we have a total of 7 and 2 are mafia (I'm assuming we're going standard mafia here), then it's 3.33 to 1 that we'll hit a towny if we just random vote.

But, that being said, I'm still suspicious of you Tynion, even more so now that you appear to be anxious to lynch someone this early. Of couse the mafia should be "punished" for whatever it is these ones did against society, but, only they should be lynched, let's first make sure (as much as we possibly can at this point) that we're not killing off our own townies.

I'm still only FOSing you Tynion, but that's obviously subject to change depending on what else you and/or others have to say.

[Tynion]

Something I noted from watching the other Mafia game.. they kept track of who talked and who did not talk. SO here is the break down:

Players:
1. Ichorid_Nightmare 2
2. Reapandplant 2
3. The_Defiler! 6
4. Wugga the Mouse Wonder 1
5. Tekkactus 1
6. Tynion 10
7. Yezzandrix 1

Now, considering the fact that I have no idea as to why they do that yet, I will be happy to allow a vet to explain these numbers. I do note that I blab my mouth almost double the next guy, so I think I am going to fix that.

[Yezzandrix]

Since we have a total of 7 and 2 are mafia (I'm assuming we're going standard mafia here), then it's 3.33 to 1 that we'll hit a towny if we just random vote.

Not quite. I mean, you only have 6 people to vote for, as you are well aware of your OWN role, thus you won't lynch yourself, would you? (assuming you are townie, that is.)

As for the numbers of posts: Meh. This is a sad excuse for a psychological analysis. I wouldn't really give a **** about it, since this is a newbie-mafia, so we generally aren't really aware of WHAT to say, plus, the ones that are more experienced already KNOW that type of analysis, so they would be trying to cover themselves with several posts, anyway.

Which leaves Tynion...

But hell, this is too early, anyway. I don't change my vote, or by tomorrow, two Mafias may agree with some townie accidently accusing another townie, and by that, they would have voting majority, already. Next night, another townie goes, then the Mafia is able to vote ALONE!

No lynch, not first day, unless somebody has a REAL good reason to suspect someone. (Meteors don't count)

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Since you have not played mafia much Yezzandrix, I'll explain something to you. Things only come out when there are accusations going, your not going to get anything out of people when you just sit there and vote to not lynch anyone. True, we could just sit around and spam for awhile, but nothing is going to come out. The mafia will kill us all while we wait for something to show up.
I do think that Tynion is acting a bit nervous and spasdic, though this could just be newbieness.

FOS: Tynion

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

someone let me know when it becomes night.

[The_Defiler!]

Hmmm... why?

Don't you have anthing to contribute, or any accusations to make Ichorid?

When you don't participate in all the bugaboo throughout the day, it looks suspicious, because usually mafia can't wait till it's night so they can do their dasterdly deed as quick as possible.

UnFOS: Tynion (for now)

FOS: Ichorid_Nightmare

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

first of all, w/e's ok. and second of all, what does FOS mean?

[The_Defiler!]

Doesn't anyone do any research anymore?

FOS = Finger Of Suspicion

And Ichorid, the purpose of this is to figure out who's mafia or not by chatting, not to get even with anyone. The reason why I FOSed you I've already stated earlier. What's your reason for voting me? You just seemed to react out of emotion. Either you're the newb of all newbs or you trully are mafia!

So... Vote:Ichorid_Nightmare

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

i thought FOS was voting, not suspicion. I have edited me recent post to unvote you.

[Interpolled]

No Editing Of Posts Allowed.
Ever.

[Yezzandrix]

No editing your posts, unvote when nescesary.

Hey, defiler: Unlike a lot of people who seem to suspect Tynion, you are becomming more and more suspicoous in MY personal view.

(Am I required to unvote my NOLYNCH before doing this, btw?) FOS: The_Defiler!, just because you purpousely did NOT try to make yourself LESS suspicious, even though you have been accused as well. It really seems as if you are trying to cover your intentions under a sheet of hollow accusations, trying to shrug them off with sarcasm, so that you seem like the victim here... As if those accusations are so ridiculous that you don't even need to reply to them, seriously (like, pointy tail an stuff). If you make it through the night, man, if YOU make it through...

(Man, this is getting complicated, really. Now I seem to get the feeling of the game, I think...)

[Tynion]

A threat.. he makes a threat against Defilers life! Perhaps.... *ponders while staring at Yezz* FOS: Yezzandrix

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

FOS: The Defiler! same reasons as yezz. He has a valid point.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Am I required to unvote my NOLYNCH before doing this, btw?

No, FoS's don't really mean anything as far as the game goes, they are just to make your suspicions known.


I have edited me recent post to unvote you.
God people, read the freaking rules! You may be newbs, but that isn't any excuse for not knowing the most basic rules of mafia.
However, perhaps Ichorid did know the rules, edited out something incriminating, and then used newbieness to cover his tracks...
I don't particularly like his flippant attitude either.

Vote: Ichorid_Knightmare

[Tynion]

I have a mafia question for you mafia vets. Why would someone that we know has over 2,700 posts, is running another mafia game, and who was last active at 7:01 yesturday have a total of one post? Tekk has said one thing. Reapandplant has said two things, and Wugga and Yezz have said three things each. I find it curious that Tekk has been strangely quite thus far.. considering that he could die today at the hands of a lynch or tonight at the hands of mafia. Perhaps he is not scared of dieing by night?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

The game has only just started Tynion. We are only 3 pages in, and 2.5 pages of that is just spam about whose dad is mafia. At this point, I doubt that Tekk has seen very much worth commenting on, and thus has kept silent.

Just to clear things up for everyone, Day 1 is going to last awhile. Day 1 took the C.H.B. Mafia over a month, and we would have gone longer if Tekk hadn't imposed a deadline. If Tekk doesn't post again in a week, then we have something to go on, but at this point, I don't think that accusation holds any water.

Offtopic: I'm going away for Thanksgiving. I'm leaving very early tomorrow and getting back next Sunday (not the upcoming one). I'll try and post as much as I can, but count on decreased involvement for me.

[The_Defiler!]

...Hey, defiler: Unlike a lot of people who seem to suspect Tynion, you are becomming more and more suspicoous in MY personal view.

(Am I required to unvote my NOLYNCH before doing this, btw?) FOS: The_Defiler!, just because you purpousely did NOT try to make yourself LESS suspicious, even though you have been accused as well. It really seems as if you are trying to cover your intentions under a sheet of hollow accusations, trying to shrug them off with sarcasm, so that you seem like the victim here... As if those accusations are so ridiculous that you don't even need to reply to them, seriously (like, pointy tail an stuff). If you make it through the night, man, if YOU make it through...

(Man, this is getting complicated, really. Now I seem to get the feeling of the game, I think...)

What suspicians are you talking about? So far, I've been FOSed because of my "origins" with no logical explanations (by Tynion), and then I was voted by Ichorid because I FOSed him for behaving like mafia. And now I've also got threat from you Yezz. :wtf:

Show me legitamate suspicions against me and I'll be happy to defend myself against such accusations.

[Yezzandrix]

I meant the jokes. This isn't so much of a REAL suspicion, only that when I read your posts I somewhat got the feeling that.. Hell, I don't know, I felt like watching a movie about a lawcourt, a criminal trying to shrug off accusations.

Man, I definitely need to improve my english... This is kinda hard to explain, (and it wasn't really meant as a threat, a joke with a core of truth, at best, I guess), but somehow, I felt that you where hiding.

Meh. Know what? Just don't ask me why, ok?

[Tekkactus]

I'm in the school play, so I've been getting home at 10 at night for the past week. MDV has kinda taken a back seat. I'm beat.

I am with Wugga though. Breaking core rules and and saying things like...
someone let me know when it becomes night. ...isn't a good way to start Day 1. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this is your first game, is it, Ichie?

[Tekkactus]

OH NOEZ DOUBLE POST! D:

I forgot to say: Yezz, "No Lynch" is the one thing you NEVER want to do. Not lynching is like handing the mafia a free kill. The next day will start with one less town and no new information. Since there's no time limit set on the Day yet, we can speculate all we want until we draw a mafia out.

[Yezzandrix]

Weird. Allright, if you look at it from that angle, your right, I was just thinking that if we hit a townie, by tomorrow, the Mafia will easily be able to vote alongside someone who is aiming at one of the good guys, after which mafia wins, automatically. And all those hollow accusations that where there don't really make the cut. I didn't know that day one lasts THAT long, I thought maybe a week or so...

Unvote: No lynch. Just because Tekk convinced me.

But as for right now, I am not decided yet.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Yeah, my first game I had no clue how long a day could take. Stuff comes out, it always does.

BTW Tekk, I actually know someone who is in a school play and who doesn't get home until 10ish at night... Just thought that was interesting! :D
I don't think it's you though, but hey, was there anyone you knew that wasn't able to make it to the play tonight?
God, that would be crazy...

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

well, it isn't my first game, but ya'll play wierd. When we played at church, in the youth group, the had us in a circle with playing cards and they would turn the lights on and off. And i just needed to know when it was night because i don't get to check this as often anymore due to i made the region band! WHOOOT! and i'm going to play today. 3rd chair alto sax. WHOOOT! so yeah. I'm holding my vote. I don't have enough info yet.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Well Ichorid, since this is ONLINE mafia, playing cards and church lights don't really help us much, you know what I mean?


I don't have enough info yet.
So don't vote...

[Tynion]

I don't really understand how to askthe right questions to incriminate someone. It might be more helpful, in my mind, if there was a crime committed and we figure out who did it, but the imaginary crime thing doesn't make sense to me. :(

[Tekkactus]

Wugga, unless by Colorado you mean Pennsylvania, I think you're out of luck.


...Not much to comment on from today. I'll keep a keen eye for suspisious behavior, but nothing is standing out just yet.

[The_Defiler!]

well, it isn't my first game, but ya'll play wierd. When we played at church, in the youth group, the had us in a circle with playing cards and they would turn the lights on and off. And i just needed to know when it was night because i don't get to check this as often anymore due to i made the region band! WHOOOT!...

Well, that makes a little more sense why you asked about night but your post before this one made you look suspiciouly anxious to get the day over to get to night, which is very mafia like. Next time, you may want to give that type of background info like you did now with that type of question.

In the mean time... unvote: Ichorid

But this doesn't mean that I'm still not suspicious of you. I'm still gonna keep my eye on you, and the other eye on Tynion since he's still suspicous to me as well. But, Tynion does have a point about the nonexisting crime. It would really help if we had a scenario to go off of instead of just going around and finding silly accusations use... Interpolled?... any possibillity of that?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

A couple things...
1. Interpolled, it is kinda customary to get some kind of narration going here, just to add to the mood and all that.
2. Even if Interpolled were to post something, it wouldn't really help you guys because it wouldn't really link to any players in particular. It would just be that some people died and you had to find out who did it, etc.

[reapandplant]

@wugga, no storylines are usually added, as they end out too complicated or too boring....

oh, BTW, FOS:the defiler for going with no lynch too.

[The_Defiler!]

...oh, BTW, FOS:the defiler for going with no lynch too.

OK... ?... you're gonna have to explain that one to me. I choose NOT to make the mafia's job easier and you FOS me?

And by the way, I went for "no RANDOM lynch", not "no lynch" at all. Get you facts straight before you start pointing fingers.

And while I'm at it, let's see, RAP, you haven't posted here the last few days... and when you do post, you throw a 1 liner out and FOS someone (me) for choosing not to lynch someone on a whim... hmmm. FOS: Reapandplant.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

@RaP, I don't mean a full storyline, I mean something to set the scene. Like in the CHB Mafia, scooby was killed, or in the Music mafia, members of a band were murdered.


OK... ?... you're gonna have to explain that one to me. I choose NOT to make the mafia's job easier and you FOS me?
No lynch hurts the town a lot more then the mafia.


FOS: Reapandplant.
FoSing someone in response to them FoSing you is a very scummy action.

[Yezzandrix]

I don't really understand how to askthe right questions to incriminate someone. It might be more helpful, in my mind, if there was a crime committed and we figure out who did it, but the imaginary crime thing doesn't make sense to me. :(

Does that mean you are not going to vote someone? If so, read Tekk's post about non-voting, and that beeing a free kill for the Mafia, again. I also learned from another site that while the Town has a 1 out of 3 chance to hit a mafia, the mafia has a 0/3 chance to hit a mafia... Tomorrow, all of us that remain here will be able to ask JUST the same questions as we are today, I say.

[Tynion]

Ok, so then don't explain to me about the importance of me voting for someone, show me how to ask questions and find a mafia. Because at the present, I can't think of a thing to base anything off of. Having watch Matlock and shows like that for years, there is always alibies and things like that to base things off of. We have nothing. No crime, no weapon, no body, nothing. To be honest, no one did anything, and we are standing in a circle wanting to mug one of us because we think someone is going to do something tonight! So my question, as a newbie, is what do you ask someone that would incriminate them?

[The_Defiler!]

...No lynch hurts the town a lot more then the mafia.

I don't see how, can you explain? How can a no-lynch if its completely unfounded or random ever possibly hurt town?


...
FoSing someone in response to them FoSing you is a very scummy action.

Your right, it is, which is why I didn't FOS him for FOSing me but for behaving suspiciously as I have indicated in that same post.

Wugga, you need to give more info instead of simple one liners without any explanation or backup, because that can be suspicious too. It's easy to cast shadows on someone by just saying he's scummy but it's unfounded unless you include your reasoning... and make sure your facts are straight before you do, otherwise, you look like the scummy one.

[Tekkactus]

"No Lynch" is the one thing you NEVER want to do. Not lynching is like handing the mafia a free kill. The next day will start with one less town and no new information. Since there's no time limit set on the Day yet, we can speculate all we want until we draw a mafia out.

.....

[Tynion]

Tekk, is this the worst newbie Mafia ever yet? :)

[reapandplant]

the defiler, there is 2 out of 7 mafia(i assume he uses this setup, since its common)
therefore,a random lynch has 2 out of 7 chance of killing a mafia. if a townie claims, he won't be lynched(maybe nightkilled by the mafia). that saves the town people. and it gives clues to playstyle and possible role.
and its VERY scummy to FOS back. vote:the_defiler

[Tynion]

Ok, so if 2 out 7 of us are mafia, and I know that I am not mafia, then that makes a 2 in 6 chance or 1 in 3 chance of getting a mafia kill. (Thinking outloud)

[Tekkactus]

Tekk, is this the worst newbie Mafia ever yet? :)

Oh hells no. One of our first, we 'No Lynch'ed 4 days in a row. Trust me when I say it's a bad idea, I speak from experience.

Vote: Tynion

You seem awfully quick to constantly bring up that you're town. Persuade me otherwise.

[Tynion]

Actually, I was in mid comment when my boss walked in and almost caught me um.. mafia-ing :) so I was mid-accusation of you. Having read the other mafia thread, I do know that counter accusing is 'scummy' so you saved yourself answering for the moment.

While I dont really know how to pursuade you, I can tell you that I got pm from Interpolled telling me that I was a townie, so I am a townie. What do you want me to say? I love my town, I run a grocery store right down the street, and I sell newspapers to everyone on a daily basis.

Screw it.. scummy or not, I want to know why Tekk only shows up once to say, 'no lynch is bad' and then to accuse me of being mafia, all within three posts. Why is it that when everyone else is active and talking, you just sit back in the corner, ignoring every thing being said, and never even trying to weasel out the mafia guys. Being the vetern of the group, if you were a town, I would have suspected that you would be showing the newbies how to find the mafia guys, especially when I asked through frustration how to go about learning this game. I find it akward that that while I flounder around and try to figure out the game, I start to make a mathematical formulation openly to walk myself into trying to figure out who is a mafia member, and immediately you vote me as mafia.

So back to you Tekk, pursuade me that you are no mafia, atleast I have more than a simple hunch about you. I have numerous hunches.

Vote: Tekk

[The_Defiler!]

the defiler, there is 2 out of 7 mafia(i assume he uses this setup, since its common)
therefore,a random lynch has 2 out of 7 chance of killing a mafia. if a townie claims, he won't be lynched(maybe nightkilled by the mafia). that saves the town people. and it gives clues to playstyle and possible role.
and its VERY scummy to FOS back. vote:the_defiler

You just 1-up'd yourself in scumminess. You first say that it's "VERY scummy to FOS back", and then what do you do? You go even worse by voting me! LOL You're not helping yourself!



...Screw it.. scummy or not, I want to know why Tekk only shows up once to say, 'no lynch is bad' and then to accuse me of being mafia, all within three posts. Why is it that when everyone else is active and talking, you just sit back in the corner, ignoring every thing being said, and never even trying to weasel out the mafia guys. Being the vetern of the group, if you were a town, I would have suspected that you would be showing the newbies how to find the mafia guys, especially when I asked through frustration how to go about learning this game. I find it akward that that while I flounder around and try to figure out the game, I start to make a mathematical formulation openly to walk myself into trying to figure out who is a mafia member, and immediately you vote me as mafia.

So back to you Tekk, pursuade me that you are no mafia, atleast I have more than a simple hunch about you. I have numerous hunches.

Vote: Tekk

Hmmm... I'm starting to see Tynions point.

@Tekk: How do you explain that?

[Yezzandrix]

TYNION'S point? He said that Tekk was only leaning back and all he did was telling us that No-lynch is a bad idea, and he voted for Tynion, since he IS over-eager, and also hyper-defensive when accused. I mean, Tynion said that he would have liked to see Tekk tell us how to find out who is mafia. While he didn't do that exactly, he at least told us THAT, and WHY a "no-lynch" vote is a bad idea. Several posts have been made about just that topic, by now, and you still are not convinced, Tynion? Yeah, I have been claiming JUST the same thing as you have, at first, but that has been discussed already, Tekk beeing involved in those explanations. Again, while TOWN has a 1 out of 3 chance to hit a mafia, the MAFIA has a 0 out of 3 chance to hit a mafia. No lynch IS a bad idea, get used to the idea.

And just don't FOS or vote me, just because I opposed your post. It just bothered me that you seem to have skipped the posts where it said that No lynch is bad, and also, why. That's why my tone is a little harsh.

This is your first mafia as well as it is mine, so why not just believe the ones that played that game for a while now? I bet they got a reason to do so. Because, once you do a little research on the web, you will see that Tekk did not make that thought up, he actually said just what you will be able to find yourself, wrote by approved-non-mafia sources.

[Tekkactus]

Actually Tynion, research is tech. What just happened is a classic snare that you fell right into. I picked you at random and came with a half assed reasoning for the sole purpose of guaging your reaction. That response?

You immediatly went on the hyper defensive, (One vote on you on page 5 isn't something someone with an innocent concience would fret over.) and you backed that up with a retalitory vote, which was brought up a page ago as being incredibly scummy. You also call me out for not being active enough, but the only activity I've seen so far is lots of spam. So, I'm scummy for not speaking gibberish, according to you. Right. You also use a classic mafia fallback "Can't you see all the good I'm doing for the town?" line.


I find it akward that that while I flounder around and try to figure out the game, I start to make a mathematical formulation openly to walk myself into trying to figure out who is a mafia member, and immediately you vote me as mafia.

I was going to unvote you and stick the lure out somewhere else, but you took the bait so perfectly classic that I'm having second thoughts. You point out that you're town again in your post, but you're showing near all the mafiatic symptoms. I'm not the one who needs to be explaining here, although I am curious about these mysterious hunches about me you have. If you're so eager to help the town, why not share them?

[reapandplant]

i kkinda half-assed not entirely on intent too,and the defiler didn't took it...

@tekk, true, but not ever believe someone is innocent till they're dead. there is no certainty that anything said is true,as this is what the game is all about...

[Tynion]

TYNION'S point? He said that Tekk was only leaning back and all he did was telling us that No-lynch is a bad idea, and he voted for Tynion, since he IS over-eager, and also hyper-defensive when accused. I mean, Tynion said that he would have liked to see Tekk tell us how to find out who is mafia. While he didn't do that exactly, he at least told us THAT, and WHY a "no-lynch" vote is a bad idea. Several posts have been made about just that topic, by now, and you still are not convinced, Tynion? Yeah, I have been claiming JUST the same thing as you have, at first, but that has been discussed already, Tekk beeing involved in those explanations. Again, while TOWN has a 1 out of 3 chance to hit a mafia, the MAFIA has a 0 out of 3 chance to hit a mafia. No lynch IS a bad idea, get used to the idea.

Let me translate what you just said.. blah blah, reiterate reiterate, blah blah. Remember all the spam Tekk refered too? It wasn't all spam, it was newbie players not knowing how to play the game, and why wouldn't a vet step in and staighten the game, and try to figure out the Mafia guys? Because the Vet is the mafia guy! A Vet would be more than willing to let a bunch of morons peck each others eyes out and then cap them at the end of the night. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if all the Mafia guys are the known players, because the other vets didn't pitch in either.


And just don't FOS or vote me, just because I opposed your post. It just bothered me that you seem to have skipped the posts where it said that No lynch is bad, and also, why. That's why my tone is a little harsh.

I didn't vote Tekk because he voted me. I voted Tekk because he is mafia unless he proves me otherwise!


This is your first mafia as well as it is mine, so why not just believe the ones that played that game for a while now? I bet they got a reason to do so. Because, once you do a little research on the web, you will see that Tekk did not make that thought up, he actually said just what you will be able to find yourself, wrote by approved-non-mafia sources.

Sure, believe the vets.. why, because the only thing he said was not to 'no lynch'? Brilliant. I hand't played before, but I knew that. Thanks for the insight guys. Are you in leagues with them?

@ Tekk: I already put my hunches out there on the table, Having had a trouble making sister in my life, I am well aware of the dodging the question by asking one of your own. So I bring you back to the point:



Screw it.. scummy or not, I want to know (1) why Tekk only shows up once to say, 'no lynch is bad' and then to accuse me of being mafia, all within three posts. (2)Why is it that when everyone else is active and talking, you just sit back in the corner, ignoring every thing being said, and never even trying to weasel out the mafia guys. (3)Being the vetern of the group, if you were a town, I would have suspected that you would be showing the newbies how to find the mafia guys, especially when I asked through frustration how to go about learning this game. I find it akward that that while I flounder around and try to figure out the game, (4)I start to make a mathematical formulation openly to walk myself into trying to figure out who is a mafia member, and immediately you vote me as mafia.

So back to you Tekk, pursuade me that you are no mafia, atleast I have more than a simple hunch about you. I have numerous hunches.

It is nice to claim to have walked me into a snare, but what happens when I continue to ask the same questions that you conveniantly avoided?

[reapandplant]

maybe he'll keep avoid them and get lynched....
or he'll turn it to someone else...
anyways, tekk could've straightened the game up after the first 10-20-30 posts of the new players.FOS:tekk

[Tekkactus]

(1) why Tekk only shows up once to say, 'no lynch is bad' and then to accuse me of being mafia, all within three posts.

...Maybe it's because I've only been getting a few minutes of time on MDV a day the past few weeks, as I've already said.

(2)Why is it that when everyone else is active and talking, you just sit back in the corner, ignoring every thing being said, and never even trying to weasel out the mafia guys.

...I haven't been online. Hmmm... deja vu!

(3)Being the vetern of the group, if you were a town, I would have suspected that you would be showing the newbies how to find the mafia guys, especially when I asked through frustration how to go about learning this game. I find it akward that that while I flounder around and try to figure out the game, (4)I start to make a mathematical formulation openly to walk myself into trying to figure out who is a mafia member, and immediately you vote me as mafia.


You also use a classic mafia fallback "Can't you see all the good I'm doing for the town?" line.

I've already answered these questions. You were chosen at random for the trap to be set on. And as for...


A Vet would be more than willing to let a bunch of morons peck each others eyes out and then cap them at the end of the night. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if all the Mafia guys are the known players, because the other vets didn't pitch in either.

The only things that have been happening that you've labeled 'wrong' are random voting, which is an inherent part of any mafia game, and Ichy's rule breaking, and he isn't a new player.

No worries though, now that the play is over I'll have plenty of time to help my beloved town with such power plays as FOSing Satan. Not spam. Nope.

[Yezzandrix]

now that the play is over I'll have plenty of time to ...

Nobody posting after this line for four days....

:confused:

Oh, come on, people, start talking again.

[The_Defiler!]

Out of curiosity Yezz, where were you?

You haven't posted in a week... :paranoid:

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Defiler, you question where Yezz was, but he has posted more recently than you. You went even longer without a post. That doesn't exactly seem like the best position from which to be basing accusations.
Anyways, I made up a big long post yesterday and then I switched pages to look at something previously and lost my post. I really wasn't motivated enough to rewrite it all, so I guess I'll do that now.


(1) why Tekk only shows up once to say, 'no lynch is bad' and then to accuse me of being mafia, all within three posts.

Well first off, No Lynch is bad. I would be much more suspicious of someone who went for No Lynch then someone who did not. Next, Tekk's accusation was a carefully calculated attempt to bring you out into the open and try to find out if you are mafia or not. Just because he didn't post two pages worth of spam before he did so doesn't mean much.


Let me translate what you just said.. blah blah, reiterate reiterate, blah blah. Remember all the spam Tekk refered too? It wasn't all spam, it was newbie players not knowing how to play the game, and why wouldn't a vet step in and staighten the game, and try to figure out the Mafia guys?

So rather then actually adress the points given, you simply shrug them off. Either you don't have a decent answer, or you are just being arrogant. Next, yes, it was spam. Can you honestly tell me that accusing Defiler's father of being mafia was an attempt to find out who the mafia was? No, it was just messing around, and it happens in every single game, not just the newbie ones.

Vote: Tynion

Also, could we get a vote count, Interpolled?

[Tynion]

So let me see... hrmm.. spam is bad, and everyone sitting on their hands and waiting for someone else to start is bad. So you had your wish, I went the entire Thanksgiving break and didn't say a single thing, and what happened? Nothing. You guys responded and shed zero light on anything. Oh, and who wants to be the 11th person to say ‘no lynch’ is bad? Anyone? Anyone? How many votes do I have? Two.. three? Something like that. We have to be close enough that the Mafia guys can pull the trigger right? Atleast if I get lynched, the game will go someplace. Or maybe not. You guys just sit and say nothing and we just stare at each other. Look at the other Mafia game. They are constantly talking, constantly figuring stuff out. We sit here and wait for someone else to chat it up.

Vote for me kids! I am the only one talking. I am the only one spamming, trying to get the game to go somewhere. Of course the Mafia boys are going to vote for me. I am the only one that is a threat to them.

Wait, I can hear you mafia guys already, let me cut you off at the pass..

“You’re the one spamming, you never contributed to anything blah.”

Well to bring back the point, I attempted to cast a light into Tekk’s shadowy corner, and what happened? He and Wugga bring up the pre-game banter. What the heck does me jokingly pointing a finger at a fictional character have anything to do with a fictional crime?

Thanks Wugga, for quoting me from sometime last week. Heck, even Tekk; who's party ended last week, and he still hadn't talked, made a sound before you did; Welcome to last week. Oh and speaking of Wugga, crawl out of under a rock much? It must get stiflingly hot under there, considering you have not even made a single post since 11-19, which was back on page 4. Oh yes Wugga, jab that finger at Defiler, when you are much guiltier of the same offense than even he is. 9 days Wugga? Thats a stretch even for Tekk, at least he shows up occasionally with an occasional "..."


.....



So rather then actually adress the points given, you simply shrug them off. Either you don't have a decent answer, or you are just being arrogant. Next, yes, it was spam. Can you honestly tell me that accusing Defiler's father of being mafia was an attempt to find out who the mafia was? No, it was just messing around, and it happens in every single game, not just the newbie ones.

What points were given? And of course I was messing around. You were sitting there sunning yourself on your rock and must have had your mafia buddy Tekk over for some tea, because neither of you were very forthcoming with anything useful.

GIVE ME A BREAK! I freaking quoted a line from Kindergarden Cop to the guy. I didn’t even realize who I was asking the question to. Interpolled said accuse away, so the first person who gave anything towards the game was getting the “Who’s your daddy, and what does he do?” bit. Heck, if Tekk had answered that his dad was a Praying Mantis, I would have FOSed the praying mantis. It was a joke when the rest of you jokers were not stepping forward to offer anything useful, so why should I lead with something useful.

How soon we forget Wugga the mouse…



7 players? That's kind of an odd number... This seems mighty suspicious to me.
FOS: Interpolled

How suspicious we look when we make jokes that blow up in our faces. Should I FOS you of even vote you?

Ahh! Look! Another joke!


Fine. I vote:Tynion because he had to go accusing mafia peeps of being mafia peeps, and that ain't koo man! *grumbles* make fun of me, vote off tekk. vote off you. little mafia boy. *stops grumbling and muttering death oaths* JK.

Tsk Tsk, sounds like a South Park reference to me. You really can’t be going around quoting from TV Ichorid, people might think you look suspicious! Oh, by the way, has it really been 10 days since you last posted? And here I gave Wugga a hard time over 9 days..

Wait! One more that you guys conveniently forget about..


My FOS stands, and I'll include your father too!

So, going back to my initial words towards Tekk, I just want to know.. if he had no time to talk and play Mafia, because he was too busy with his play, then how come his Forum log shows that he was active in other parts of the forum pretty much every day. Funny... he is not able to come out and chat it up with us newbies, and can't seem to find time to come take part in the game because he is at a play. Oh, but Tekk was active in other parts of the forum during that time. Check out his logs.

Look at it this way. The only thing you guys have one me is suspicion because I made a bad joke and I chat too much. Wooptie doo! At least I show up and play the game. Try to anyways..

My vote stands.. I think Tekk is mafia Vote: Tekk
And I believe Wugga is his sunning huckleberry [b]FOS: Wugga, the Mouse[b]

How’s that for research Tekk?


Actually Tynion, research is tech.

[Tekkactus]

You still shrug off the accusations on you onto me and don't answer a single thing. The only point against yourself you even bring up is the Satan FOS, which I brought up not as an accusation, but a sarcastic jibe. Also, there's a difference between posting nonsense and posting actual information to defend yourself. Not posting for five days when you're under the radar doesn't work in your favor. What you put off as trying to prove a point I see as a desperate stall for time.

As for:
Tekk, I just want to know.. if he had no time to talk and play Mafia, because he was too busy with his play, then how come his Forum log shows that he was active in other parts of the forum pretty much every day. maybe everyone should check my forum activity. I had about 10 minutes of online time a day, and it shows. The only time I was really 'active' were on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings.

Your turn. Try and actually defend yourself this time.

[Tekkactus]

Unofficial Vote Count:

Tynion: 3
Ichorid Nightmare: 2
Defiler: 1
Tekkactus: 1

That was just a quick count, so I might be wrong.

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

i haven't posted in a while either. sorry guys, but my computer shut down on me, and my step-dad broke my internet connection. i'll be around more often.

[Tynion]

You still shrug off the accusations on you onto me and don't answer a single thing. The only point against yourself you even bring up is the Satan FOS, which I brought up not as an accusation, but a sarcastic jibe. Also, there's a difference between posting nonsense and posting actual information to defend yourself. Not posting for five days when you're under the radar doesn't work in your favor. What you put off as trying to prove a point I see as a desperate stall for time.

As for: maybe everyone should check my forum activity. I had about 10 minutes of online time a day, and it shows. The only time I was really 'active' were on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings.

Your turn. Try and actually defend yourself this time.

Its actually quite laughable. If I get lynched because I FOSed Satan, then perhaps I should have used a different finger to FOS him and then you guys could have lynched me sooner. I'd like to take an opportunity to thank you though Tekk, as you did just fine defending me. Read it yourself..


You still shrug off the accusations on you onto me and don't answer a single thing. The only point against yourself you even bring up is the Satan FOS, which I brought up not as an accusation, but a sarcastic jibe.

What else need I say?

Between yourself, Wugga, and Ichorid lurking around these parts over the better part of three weeks, I'd say I really don't have anything to fear.

Also, when you went a head and did your un-official vote count, I couldn't help but notice that you included a vote against me that was part of a JK line. How could I look at that as anything other than scummy.

Ah yes, here it is..


Fine. I vote:Tynion because he had to go accusing mafia peeps of being mafia peeps, and that ain't koo man! *grumbles* make fun of me, vote off tekk. vote off you. little mafia boy. *stops grumbling and muttering death oaths* JK.

But I digress, as I was saying earlier, yet again, had Tynion not talked, none of you would have, and your mafia boy Tekk and his faithful friend Wugga would still be hanging out sunning on thier rock.

Funny, you still have nothing on me.. Is it scummy to accuse people whom I believe to be mafia?

Well, since you said...

As for: maybe everyone should check my forum activity. I had about 10 minutes of online time a day, and it shows. The only time I was really 'active' were on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings.

here we go.. in reverse order…… the time your placed your posts.

11-28, 6:36
11-26. 6:12
11-26, 3:17
11-26, 3:14
11-26, 3:00
11-26, 2:57
11-26, 1:54
11-26, 12:35
11-26, 11:13
11-25, 12:46
11-24, 10:30
11-24, 6:41
11-24, 4:08 (moding)
11-24, 3:46
11-24, 12:02 (has time to play in Pope day)
11-24, 11:17
11-24, 10:19 … Newbie Mafia day!

24 th was Friday, 26 was Sunday. Yet he did not have any time..

11-21, 9:13
11-21, 8:55
11-21, 8:53
11-21, 4:15
11-21, 4:10 (here is where he voted for me in the first place)

Golly, he has no time for the game at all. These are just the first page and a half of Tekk’s message logs. Perhaps we should just rename him to Lurkk.

[Tekkactus]

Whether he said JK or not it was an official vote and still counts as such until he unvotes it. I fail to see how posting a vote count is scummy.

I was done with the play on the 22nd. Which I posted and told everyone. Thanks for ignoring that, Tynion. Go back farther than that and I average about 2 posts a day.

Also, you're welcome. I don't need low blows to prove my point against you, so let's get the Satan thing off the record. It isn't incriminating. The hyperdefensivness, retributal accusing, and classic mafia defenses are. Which you still have shrugged off.


Is it scummy to accuse people whom I believe to be mafia?

No, it isn't. It is scummy to follow up an accusation with a vote against the accuser and never actually say why he's suspicious otherwise. I lurk? Explained that several times over, which you continually and convieniently ignore. It's even scummier when this happens after a random, out of the blue, nontreatening vote.

Maybe you should explain why you suddenly had me 100% pegged as mafia the minute I voted for you and actually defend yourself. After all, I'm not the one one vote away from a lynch. Please also note that if you were town, the mafia would have swept in and finished you off the moment I voted. So, Chris, why haven't they?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Whoa Tynion, cool down bud, it's just a game.



Thanks Wugga, for quoting me from sometime last week. Heck, even Tekk; who's party ended last week, and he still hadn't talked, made a sound before you did; Welcome to last week. Oh and speaking of Wugga, crawl out of under a rock much? It must get stiflingly hot under there, considering you have not even made a single post since 11-19, which was back on page 4.

It's actually pretty funny that you quote the "Research is Tech" line, yet don't really seem to do your own.


Offtopic: I'm going away for Thanksgiving. I'm leaving very early tomorrow and getting back next Sunday (not the upcoming one). I'll try and post as much as I can, but count on decreased involvement for me.

I posted that on 11/17, I left town on 11/18, I was able to get on the internet briefly the next day, 11/19. I got back late on 11/26, and then posted again on 11/28.

You really seem to be getting the wrong impression from most of my posts, on a couple counts. One, I don't think that FoSing Satan thing was wrong, or was incriminating, or anything, in fact, I thought it was rather humourous. What I do have a problem with is you pointing to how you have been continually active and others have not been, when a lot of your posts didn't contribute to the game.


Oh yes Wugga, jab that finger at Defiler, when you are much guiltier of the same offense than even he is. 9 days Wugga? Thats a stretch even for Tekk, at least he shows up occasionally with an occasional "..."

I wasn't accusing Defiler or saying anything about how long ago he posted. It was Thanksgiving Week and a lot of people were away, including myself. The thing that I was commenting on is how he was pointing fingers at someone for not posting over that week, when he had posted even less recently then that person.

[Tynion]

Sooo.. then let me see if I understand the game.. First, I can't joke around, because that is suspicious. Next, I can't talk alot, because playing the game is suspicious. Then, when I try not to talk so much, I am flying low, and that is suspicious. Then, when I try to compensate for the lack of any action over the last two four days, that is suspicios.

Will someone place vote for me so I can get my ghost laugh out of the way at you all being wrong? I don't believe in suicide, so I can't do it myself. The only reason I can see to.. so as to not avoid Tekk's question, that I haven't geen offed by the mafia yet it that they already have thier votes on me.

So now you tell me. Tekk the vet, Wugga the guy who knows all... what should I be doing? Be quiet? Talk? Do my best to figure the game out?

I also find it funny that all the sudden I have an attitude. I am merely telling the things that I notice, and all the sudden I need to calm down.

All I want to know is who has the balls to vote for me and find out that you are wrong. Call my bluff. I told you I was town. I try to figure out who it is, and somehow I get the suspicion. So.. figure it out on your own. 'll just hang out and lurk like Tekk and the other good players and wait for the either the night to take me or the lynch mob. Either way.. you'll finally have something to base your assuptions on. You will finally have a death to figure out. And it will also increase your odds of your vote being on the mafia guy.

Either way, it works for me. *crosses my arms and waits for your group decision*

[Tekkactus]

Joking isn't suspicious. We've covered that. Neumerous times. Way to ignore what we actually say again. Talking a lot isn't suspicious. Flooding the game with nonsense and then pointing to that as being usful to the game is. Not talking so much isn't suspicious. Ignoring the thread for five days after you've been called out is. Questioning people isn't suspisious. Questioning the people accusing you without supplying solid data against them is. But I digress, we've been over this before.

Also, don't act like we haven't seen a suicide threat before. First, if you are town, conceding will do nothing but hurt us. Second, if you're so adamant about your innocence, why didn't you finish yourself off? Given your rashness that is all too prevalent everywhere else on the forum, why are holding back now? You "don't believe in suicide"? This is a game, is it not?

"Dramatic change in character" is another classic mafia tell.

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

i have to agree with tekk on this one dude, you are getting way to over-responsive and saying way too much here. talking way too much is a way to convince us your mafia. if you weren't you could easily prove it. But if you were, you would have an elaborate lie. So do you really expect us to believe you? again, i agree with tekk.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Sooo.. then let me see if I understand the game.. First, I can't joke around, because that is suspicious. Next, I can't talk alot, because playing the game is suspicious. Then, when I try not to talk so much, I am flying low, and that is suspicious. Then, when I try to compensate for the lack of any action over the last two four days, that is suspicios.

To an extent, that's actually true. People can find fault in anything in this game, it just comes down to what a person posts and how they react to those accusations.


I told you I was town. I try to figure out who it is, and somehow I get the suspicion.

Oh well then, if you say that you are town, then I guess I should take my vote off of you, eh? Because there is no way that the mafia would ever lie to us and say that he is town...


I also find it funny that all the sudden I have an attitude. I am merely telling the things that I notice, and all the sudden I need to calm down.

I find it a bit funny that you have an attitude all of a sudden too. And I find it even more funny that you don't seem to realize you were being a total ass with that post a couple posts up.


if you weren't you could easily prove it

Well, not really...

[The_Defiler!]

Defiler, you question where Yezz was, but he has posted more recently than you. You went even longer without a post. That doesn't exactly seem like the best position from which to be basing accusations...


Actually Wugga, it's been about the same amount of time. And it was an honest question because I haven't seen Yezz post a whole lot in this game (probably because it's been mostly overrun by Tynion, Tekk, and to some degree, myself too) and my question of his most recent whereabouts was just the latest sample. I was hoping to see what kind of response I'd get out of him... I guess I'm still waiting. :paranoid:

Well Yezz, how about it?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Actually Wugga, it's been about the same amount of time. And it was an honest question because I haven't seen Yezz post a whole lot in this game (probably because it's been mostly overrun by Tynion, Tekk, and to some degree, myself too) and my question of his most recent whereabouts was just the latest sample. I was hoping to see what kind of response I'd get out of him... I guess I'm still waiting.

Well Yezz, how about it?


Yeah, I guess your right, it was about the same amount of time, though my point still stands. But I understand where your coming from, and I do agree we should hear from Yezz, and RaP too for that matter.

[reapandplant]

oh yeah, tekk, before you forget: half-claims are BAD.
thought thatd had to be there.

[Tekkactus]

Yeah, thanks for that, Rap. This is newbie mafia though, so no character roles. I'm not even positive there are power roles in this game.

[reapandplant]

is this still going or dieing out?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

It sorta seems to be dying out... not many people seem to be contributing, and those that are have run out of stuff to say, it seems. But hey, we already had one revival, we can get another if some more people (read: RaP, Ichorid Nightmare, Defiler, etc), make up their minds and either contribute to the discussion and/or vote.

[Tekkactus]

All the cards are on the table. Lurkers just need to make their choice. Everything that can be said has at this point.

[reapandplant]

read over tynoins post, it made no sense whatsoever and looks like desperate mafia defense.
vote:tynion

[Tekkactus]

You know, Interpolled hasn't been online in half a month. I think we may be out of luck anyway.

I'll PM EM about it, see how we'll manage a mafia without a mod.

[Einsteinmonkey]

1. Everybody PM me your role PMs.

2. No editing means no editing. In this thread, there have been around *10* instances of editing! The next person to edit their post gets blacklisted.

3. From now on, if you're changing your vote, you must Unvote first.

4. Tynion is lynched! (I don't know what he was since I don't have his role yet.)

Vote Count:

Tynion- 4 (Ichorid_Nightmare, Tekkactus, Wugga the Mouse Wonder, reapandplant)
Tekkactus- 1 (Tynion)

Not voting (2): The_Defiler!, Yezzandrix

4 to lynch.

It is Night 1.

Again, send me your role PMs. You can send any night actions after I tell you who Tynion was.

[Einsteinmonkey]

Tynion was a vanilla townie.

[Einsteinmonkey]

You wake up and find reapandplant dead. He was the town doctor.

It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Damn... not only was Tynion telling the truth, but we lost our doctor as well.

[Yezzandrix]

Doctor? what do you mean? EM said he was vanilla...

Whatever...

Btw... I also wanted to remind people that I was still in this game, the fact that I wasn't posting for several days has got nothing to do with me beeing mafia (No witchhunt for me, sorry (or whatever the englishmen say)) the only thing why I didn't post things for a couple of days was that I was that there was a girl that... weell.. took quite a bit of my free time...

Meh.

Sad thing is that I just noticed this weekend that she isn't worth the trouble..

Life is the suxxors, I say.

Oh, and for the mafia-thingy: I still follow the conversations, even when I don't post.

@Tynion: shouldn't have been your neck, even though my vote wouldn't have changed a damn thing, I wouldn't have voted you, if I would have. Not that this is any help, so yeah

meh...

[Tekkactus]

Since this is Newbie Mafia I'll point it out:

Do Not Vote. Since there are two mafia, a single vote by town onto another town would mean that the mafia could both speed lynch and win the game. Conversely, if we go with a No Lynch, their nightkill would win us the game.

It looks like I was wrong. That sucks for you guys, and it sucks for me, since now I'm the one who got the townie lynched. However, if you read my above words of wisdom, I'd avoid voting for me.

Please?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Doctor? what do you mean? EM said he was vanilla...

Tynion was vanilla, but Reapandplant was the Doctor.


Do Not Vote. Since there are two mafia, a single vote by town onto another town would mean that the mafia could both speed lynch and win the game. Conversely, if we go with a No We need to be really careful here, look back over other pages for Lynch, their nightkill would win us the game.

It looks like I was wrong. That sucks for you guys, and it sucks for me, since now I'm the one who got the townie lynched. However, if you read my above words of wisdom, I'd avoid voting for me.

Well, since he said please...
But really, he is right. If even one of us were to cast a vote, then the mafias could both vote for that guy fast and end the game. If you suspect someone, FoS them instead.

[The_Defiler!]

...Conversely, if we go with a No Lynch, their nightkill would win us the game...
Huh? How does a no-lynch win us the game? They'll just be 1 kill away from winning the game themselves on the next day... someone (BESIDES TEKK!) please explain this.


...It looks like I was wrong. That sucks for you guys, and it sucks for me, since now I'm the one who got the townie lynched. However, if you read my above words of wisdom, I'd avoid voting for me.

Please?

Hmmm... "That sucks for YOU guys"... you mean us townies? You know Tekk, this just looks like you know your previous actions were responsible for cornering Tynion and therefore suspicious, so now you're trying to elicit sympathy from us so we don't vote you... it seems to me that you kept pushing him until he snapped, as we see when he gave up toward the end and practically dared us to lynch him. I was suspicious about you before but now that suspicion has doubled. I think you're mafia and you saw an easy newbie mark (Tynion) and pushed his buttons until he reacted the way you wanted him to and that led others to think he was hyper-defensive (which he was) because it's a mafia trait.

I think you're one of the mafia, and until I hear from someone concerning the first part of this post, I'm definately FOSing you Tekk! After all, how can a veteran mafia gamer such as yourself, have been so wrong about Tynion? ...unless you knew he couldn't be mafia and manipulated him to put up his defenses so high for your mafia purposes.

[Tekkactus]

The us should have been 'them'. It was a typo. Lame excuse, I know.


Tynion acted like mafia, so I suspected him of being mafia. Sure I cornered him, because if I hadn't my accusation wouldn't have meant anything. Just because I'm a veteran player doesn't mean my instinct is infallable. Besides, I couldn't have lynched him by myself. If you're going to put me under the radar for calling him out, you might as well take a look at everyone who voted for him, too.

[The_Defiler!]

The us should have been 'them'. It was a typo. Lame excuse, I know.

Tynion acted like mafia, so I suspected him of being mafia. Sure I cornered him, because if I hadn't my accusation wouldn't have meant anything. Just because I'm a veteran player doesn't mean my instinct is infallable. Besides, I couldn't have lynched him by myself. If you're going to put me under the radar for calling him out, you might as well take a look at everyone who voted for him, too.

Yes, that was a lame excuse, and so is the rest of your defense. And I still think you've got good instincts, and that you know just how to use them, for YOUR purposes.

Also, let's go ahead and take a look at the others who voted for Tynion. Let's see, there was you, obviously, and there was RAP, Wugga, and Ichorid. Well, we now know that RAP wasn't mafia... so that pretty much narrows the field, doesn't it! And since everyone who's read my previous post (and this one) already knows I think you're (Tekk) mafia, I think your partner in crime was one of the other 2 who weren't killed overnight...

Well Wugga and Ichorid, I'm looking at you! What do you have to say for yourselves?...

Although, Yezz, you still don't post very much and that seems suspicious to me too. In fact, you've never explained yourself from my last acusation from Day1. How about it Yezz?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Well Wugga and Ichorid, I'm looking at you! What do you have to say for yourselves?...

About what? What is it you want me to explain? You have asked me to explain myself, but you haven't said what for.

Personally, I think that Defiler is coming out very fast and hard, against everyone, but especially against Tekk. This seems to me that he is trying to get Tekk lynched fast, and throwing some threads elsewhere in order to push suspicion off of himself.


Although, Yezz, you still don't post very much and that seems suspicious to me too. In fact, you've never explained yourself from my last acusation from Day1. How about it Yezz?

You could easily ask the same question of yourself. You are going after Yezz for not posting over Thanksgiving week, but you yourself didn't post then either. So how about it Defiler, where were you and why did you not post for a week?

FOS: The_Defiler

[The_Defiler!]

About what? What is it you want me to explain? You have asked me to explain myself, but you haven't said what for...

Haven't you read the last couple posts? I'm asking you why you voted for Tynion. Is that clear enough? The same goes for Ichorid too.


Personally, I think that Defiler is coming out very fast and hard, against everyone, but especially against Tekk. This seems to me that he is trying to get Tekk lynched fast, and throwing some threads elsewhere in order to push suspicion off of himself...

If you think I'm trying to get Tekk lynched fast then why didn't I vote for him? Yes, I am extremely suspicious of Tekk, hence my FOSing him, duh! That doesn't mean I want a quick lynch, that means that I want a good explanation as to why he did what he did. Which I still haven't gotten by the way!
I don't want quick lynches, I want SMART lynches. And yes, it may seam I'm coming out strong against everyone, but really i'm just trying to let you know that just because i'm very suspicious of Tekk right now, I'm not ignoring the possibility that he may yet still be a towny and 2 of you others may be mafia.

And by the way, what suspicion on me are you talking about? So far, you're the only one trying to create a ruckus about me for no apparent reason... unless of course you're mafia and my deductions are getting you nervous. I find it interesting that when I did start showing my suspicions of Tekk, you started to come after me... What's the matter Wugga, did I bully your mafia buddy? Are you coming to his rescue?


You could easily ask the same question of yourself. You are going after Yezz for not posting over Thanksgiving week, but you yourself didn't post then either. So how about it Defiler, where were you and why did you not post for a week?

FOS: The_Defiler

Wugga, we've been over this already, I'm not specifically refering to that one single time period as the basis of my concern. But if you really want to know, where I was, I was busy preparing the thanksgiving meal since I'm the cook in the family and we were expecting 13 family members to join us for the holiday. My accusation was why Yezz wasn't participating more often, and I used that time frame ("that week" as you put it) as 1 example. Go ahead, take a look at how many posts Yezz has compared to most others in this game... what do you find? 9 posts? Most of which were done in the beginning of the game... I'm not "going after Yezz" Wugga, I'm asking him to explain himself.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

If you think I'm trying to get Tekk lynched fast then why didn't I vote for him?

Well let's think about it. If a non-mafia member voted for someone, almost immediately both mafia members would come swooping down and finish him off. However, if a mafia member were to vote for someone, there would not be two people suddenly voting for that person - i.e. he would give himself away. Now I'm not saying you are mafia here, but I am saying why the fact that you FoSed instead of voting isn't a terribly good defense.


Haven't you read the last couple posts? I'm asking you why you voted for Tynion. Is that clear enough? The same goes for Ichorid too.

Yes it is, but you seem to have a bit of a problem expressing exactly what you are asking of people and assuming they know what you are talking about. Yes, I did read the other posts, and it was not apparent at all what you were asking. Why did I vote for Tynion? Because I thought he was mafia, obviously. He seemed to be acting like a mafia from Tekk's questions and was behaving like a member of the mafia, in my opinion. However, I guess that that was just him getting a bit defensive in the face of intense scrutiny.

[Einsteinmonkey]

Vote Count:
No votes.

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[The_Defiler!]

Hello? Yezz? Ichorid? Are you guys going to post anything? It's been a while since you've posted:

Yezz's last post: 12/8/06
Ichorid's last post: 11/28/06

You guys still remember we've got a game going here don't you? Or are you both mafia and trying to make us townies get at each others' throats and then you swoop in for the kill in the last moment?

[reapandplant]

dude, was so busy that i hadn't noticed i died:S

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Yeah, we need to hear from those two, especially Ichorid.

[The_Defiler!]

Tic toc, tic toc... Well? Yezz & Ichorid, what the heck are you waiting for? I'm beginning to wonder about you guys. Maybe I should just vote for one of them and see what happens...

...maybe I should stop talking to myself...

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Come on people! No one has posted here in two days, and no one but The Defiler and I have posted in the last eight days!

[Tekkactus]

I have nothing to say until Yezz or Ichy appear. Which they are failing at.

[Yezzandrix]

I'm back. I was visiting my sister, one full week.

Cancer, but she is getting better, now. She and her husband needed some help in their household, and I have had almost no time free, since they have a little daughter that needs a lot of attention, too.

Yeah, I have had more important things to do. I'm somewhat back, though, I guess.

[The_Defiler!]

That's great that you're back Yezz, and that's a very nice thing that you've done for you sister, but you still haven't posted anything concerning this game here. Please read, catch-up, and post reply, thoughts, comments, FOSes, whatever...

[Yezzandrix]

I have been accused like hell for not beeing overly active, but to be honest, I already answered the question why i wasn't terribly active lately. Yeah I have been READING the posts, and I have been online, as well, at least in the first week of my absence, thanksgiving-time. I got myself a girlfriend, and that's all I have to say. You rarely put Mafia over personal relations, I think, so yeah, I had better things to do.

As for the second week of my absence, don't make me go flamethrower. I will not tolerate any accusations why I didn't post (or even READ) during that week, and to be honst, nothing much happened while I was away. I pretty much understand Ichorid for losing interest in this mafia-round. Nothing awfully spectacular happened.

Defiler, let's face it, all you did was to accuse EVERYBODY, with a special fat FOS for Tekk, since he voted Tynion. But many people happily accused and FOSed him over the course of the day one, since he was getting louder in defending him. Both voting him and he himself becoming hyperdefensive after beeing acused over and over again is pertty much understandable.

So yeah, I, to be honest, have a little trouble to figure out after whom to go, and the only persons that I am relatively certain that are NO mafia are the dead, myself and Ichorid, since THOSE don't take all this too serious, now that Mafia seems to be winning this

Tekk, that "typo" made me laugh, really... I mean, come on, "US" and "THEM"!!! XD XD XD Still, I don't think that you are MAfia. Wugga and Defiler look more suspicious, not because they cannot find good answers to accusations (it's relatively easy to lie on the worldwideweb, as you have time to think about your posts, other than in rellife, (and freakin NO, I didn't lie (I KNOW someone is going to accuse and FOS me for that, but I am going to post it anyway)), but because Defiler does not seem to be trying to keep this thread RUNNING, he seems to try to get to the next level quickly. Which would be night. He keeps pushing a bit too heavily, IMHO. But still, that THOUGHT (Nothing that you will have to answer, really. Just thinking loud here, in case someone feels the same, to get some converstation going) is not enough to actually FOS him. So I won't.

[The_Defiler!]

Well, I guess this just leaves Ichorid to check in now...

Btw Yezz, part of what makes a game "move" is if everybody participates. If everyone starts sitting and waiting untill something happens, like Ichorid maybe?, then we'll be waiting for a long time and nothing will be happening because people are waiting for others to make things happen. If you want things to "happen", you have to participate, which is what I've been trying to do. I've already been a part of a few games in the Humor forums which started strong and then kind of fizzled. I just don't want this game to fizzle like that. That's one of the reasons why I've been talking smack about everyone - to try to get everyone to say something. And of course to see what they say as well.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Defiler does not seem to be trying to keep this thread RUNNING, he seems to try to get to the next level quickly. Which would be night. He keeps pushing a bit too heavily, IMHO.

This has been my point from the get-go, he could just be trying to keep the thread going, or he could just be trying to get a quick lynch.
It seems to me like too many people joined this game without really committing to play it (looking at you Ichorid).

[Yezzandrix]

lol, seems like this is dying away during DAYTIME...

What shall we do now? Ichorid seems to be inactive for over two weeks now (last post sixth of december...) If we want to keep this thing alive, we should be asking for someone to replace him, I guess. Other than that, I cannot think of anything... So, what do you others think of this?

[The_Defiler!]

That sounds like a good idea Yezz...

EM, do you have the replacement list? I think that was in the signup thread...

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

I agree, we need to keep this going!

[Einsteinmonkey]

Sending email now.

[The_Defiler!]

Thanks EM! Hopefully we can get someone who will be more active now.

[Einsteinmonkey]

The replacement isn't responding, and Ichorid_Nightmare appears to have returned from his hiatus :mad: for which he had better have a good explanation for the sake of his Mafia playing career on MDV.

[Yezzandrix]

Must have spend some time in the jailhouse... how typical...

;) Just kdding

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

sry guys, my internet has been down for 2 months, and it will only be temporarily fixed until january 5th. i have to have my router replaced. ill be in touch until then.

[The_Defiler!]

HE LIVES!!! (for now...)

Well Ichorid, it's nice that you've dropped a line, or a post as the case may be, glad you're OK, but you still need to catch up on the game here and post something(s) in response.

Hopefully you have a chance to do so before we really, really get suspicious...

[Einsteinmonkey]

Vote Count:
No votes.

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[The_Defiler!]

Hello? Somebody say something... please?

It'd be nice if we could keep this game going...

[Yezzandrix]

Arrgh, stupid forum ate my post.

Yawn. Too tired now, gotta go. But I will try and repost it tomorrow...

[Ichorid_Nightmare]

yeah. we should really keep this going.

[Einsteinmonkey]

Need I impose a deadline?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Yeah, hopefully tomorrow, I'll try and get this going again... going through and putting together something for people to go on. But in the meantime... wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Ok, I've reviewed the thread extensively and I think I'm going to Vote: Ichorid _Nightmare.

He edited a post when he has played the game before and should definitely know not to do that. He has shown very little interest in the town's affairs and has expressed a desire to hurry up the day and get on to the night. He has been very inactive/lurking for the whole game. It seems to me like he is just sitting back in the shadows and letting all of us kill each other off.

[The_Defiler!]

Well Wugga, after looking through the posts, I think you have some good points there. However, he's done this in other mafia games but I don't recall if he was mafia in those or not (I don't remember which mafia games he participated in so far). This just might be typical Ichorid, not that it's a good thing he's doing. I'm still not decided about him.

...we also haven't heard from Tekk in a while (like more that 2 weeks). Tekk, you said you had nothing to say until Yezz and Ichorid say something... well, they did, now what do you have to say?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Yeah, we need to get everyone back involved here. Though to be fair, no one has really done much in the last two weeks. But that's over now, come on people! Come back, look through the thread, and let's get going again!

[Yezzandrix]

Will be absent for a couple of days, MAYBE. Going to visit my brother for about 5 days or so, starting tomorrow, and I am not quite sure yet, whether or not I am going to be able to acess the t during those days. But in the time I will be spending there, I will think about what you said (and voted), Wugga.

We knew that he edited at the beginning, which was what made him a little bit more suspicious (IMHO) than Tynion, yet so far, his lack of interest is what made me actually think that he might be townie. Yet still, his quite "somebody me when it becomes night" and editing two posts isn't very good, either... (even though he gave explanaitions for those things)

I will have some time to think this trough, I say

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

his lack of interest is what made me actually think that he might be townie.

Why? A townie would be trying to figure out who the mafia are, the mafia would generally just sit back and let the townies go after each other. Better to not say anything suspicious that could draw attention.

[Tekkactus]

Quite honestly, I've lost interest in this mafia. This has been so inactive I can't even remember who's in and who isn't. My thoughts on each person:

Ichorid: Most likely candidate to be mafia, but he might just be a bad player.
Wugga: Judging from his play style in CHB Mafia, probably innocent.
Defiler: Not entirely sure. 50/50 here.
Yezz: Actually, I'm getting kind of suspicious of you, Yezz. You strike me as the type that would do your research before starting something, but you've been oozing 'newness' the whole game. Not incriminating, but certainly out of character.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

True, it's been inactive, and I had lost some interest as well, but let's try and get it going again. It's already doing better, so just see it out Tekk... alright?

[The_Defiler!]

BTW Tekk, you presented us with the concept that we shouldn't vote for anyone because it only takes 3 to lynch so if we vote for anyone, mafia would swoop in and add the remaining 2 votes to do a quick lynch... right?

Well, Wugga voted Ichorid and nothing happened... so does that mean that there's a good chance that either Wugga or Ichorid are mafia?

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

That's a good point. I spaced out and voted. It's been so long since we did anything in here I had forgotten about that danger.

There are actually three possiblities here.

1. I am mafia, and the reason that Ichorid is not dead is that there are not enough mafia left to swoop down and finish him.

2. Ichorid is mafia, and the mafia aren't going to vote for their own, obviously.

3. The mafia are just oblivious to what happened and forgotten they could swoop down and finish him.

Now, in my mind, it's very clear that it is #2. I guess it sounds a bit lame, but I know that I am not mafia, and I doubt that the mafia would have forgotten to finish him off, especially since that would win them the game.
So... that just leaves #1, and I'm now totally convinced that Ichorid is mafia.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Err... that just leaves #2, sorry.

[Tekkactus]

Fruedian slip of the tongue, eh?

Well, whatever. Vote: Ichorid Nightmare.

[The_Defiler!]

Interesting... I ask Tekk about what he said earlier about how mafia should have swooped in and so what does Tekk do? He votes for the same guy Wugga voted for... I think Tekk's the mafia here, so vote: Tekk

[Einsteinmonkey]

Vote Count:

Ichorid_Nightmare- 2 (Wugga the Mouse Wonder, Tekkactus)
Tekkactus- 1 (The_Defiler!)

Not voting (2): Ichorid_Nightmare, Yezzandrix

3 to lynch.

[Tekkactus]

Truth is I really don't care anymore. Lynch me and lose, lynch Ichorid and be wrong and lose, whatever at this point.

[The_Defiler!]

@ Tekk: Dude, that's really not kewl to be so "what ever" about this mafia game, or any other mafia game for that matter. If you were going to be this way about it, why did you bother to sign up for this in the first place?

[Tekkactus]

I signed up because I expected the game to actually progress. I got sick of having Wugga and I drag this along by the ankles.

It could be worse, I could be quitting.

[The_Defiler!]

What did you expect from a newbie mafia game?

[Tekkactus]

Newbie mafias are supposed to go faster than normal.

[The_Defiler!]

How can they go faster if none of the newbies have enough experience to know how to make the game move. In fact, imo, what you've explained after Tynion was lynched, about the mafia swooping in, may have scared some into silence.

If you were expecting us newbs to lynch each other quick, you kind of prevented that yourself with some very good advise in the beginning of the game, part of which I understood as "think before you act" type message. Consequently, I've been voting very sparingly. Maybe others are in the same boat?

However, this doesn't mean that people can't participate in the posts!

[Tekkactus]

Newbies tend to vote on a whimsy, which causes the games to end pretty quick.

And you're right, you should think before you speak. Should I take the lack of speaking as a lack of thinking, then?

Plus, like Wugga said, if Ichorid wasn't mafia we'd have already lost. Unless Wugga is mafia, which I doubt, we have Ichy pinned. I didn't just throw out a vote.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

I agree with Tekk that this game hasn't really done too well, but it's starting to get people back into it, so give it a try Tekk. It doesn't really take that much time out of your day, and it looks like it is picking up!

[Yezzandrix]

Vote: Ichorid Nightmare, so that this finally goes somewhere.

Plus, Tekk, I haven't been oozing newness on a concious level. I have always been thinking before I actually did and wrote something, plus, I haven't been random in my accusations or votes, or at least I tried not to be. This is, after all, my first game here, and with so little information, there is only oozing newness left to do ;)

[Einsteinmonkey]

Ichorid_Nightmare is lynched!

Vote Count:

Ichorid_Nightmare- 3 (Wugga the Mouse Wonder, Tekkactus, Yezzandrix)
Tekkactus- 1 (The_Defiler!)

Not voting (1): Ichorid_Nightmare

3 to lynch.

You all drag Ichorid_Nightmare to his death blah blah blah, finding out he was the Town Cop. Immediately Tekkactus and The_Defiler drop dead, shot from behind.

Game over. Mafia win. Yezzandrix and Wugga the Mouse Wonder laugh in glee.

[The_Defiler!]

Oh crap... well, not that it matters now but I did vote, it was for Tekk though, so not like this would have helped or anything.

[Einsteinmonkey]

That's right. Fixed.

[Yezzandrix]

;) Hi fellows. Sorry for all that lynching, we didn't mean no harm.

[The_Defiler!]

;) Hi fellows. Sorry for all that lynching, we didn't mean no harm.

Yeah... right...:paranoid:

[Tekkactus]

I knew it. I had you pegged, Yezz. I should learn to follow my hunches more.

[Wugga the Mouse Wonder]

Eh... actually... we did mean harm.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

Good job Yezz.

I actually made a pretty big mistake there with the vote. I only realized it a day after I did it, but voting for Ichorid was really pretty stupid. Luckily I was able to turn it around.