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Streetz
10-25-2005, 11:06 PM
It turns out that there are more stories coming out of WotC's move across the street than just a giant Dragon stopping traffic. While I was helping to pack up R&D, I emptied out a filing cabinet in Richard Garfield's old office (now an R&D conference room known as "The Danger Room"). It looked as if the cabinet had been moved intact from Wizards' last move ten years ago. Inside I found a bunch of old folders. The bottom of which was cryptically titled "Rock & Roll". Curious, I blew the dust off the file and peeked inside. I had no idea what I was about to uncover.

I've worked in R&D for over five years, so I had heard the rumor. Rosewater's been spouting off about it for years, but like many things he says no one believed him. But as I began to read through the file I started seeing words like "Kjeldoran" and "Wiitigo", I realized that I might have just uncovered one of the great unsolved mysteries of R&D. Yes, in my hand was the lost Ice Age expansion!

For those of you unfamiliar, here's how the legend goes. Ice Age was designed to be the first of the modern day blocks complete with one large set and two small expansions. But due to internal politics, Homelands was forced upon R&D to be included in the block. This forced R&D to shelve the third set of the block as there wasn't going to be room for it before Mirage was released. According to the legend, the design was filed away never to be seen again. And rumor had it, it was the best set of the block.

Paging through it, I realized that legend might have been correct. The third set did some very interesting things with the themes found in Ice Age and Alliances. It seemed a shame that the world would never see it. The set deserved a better fate than being abandoned for eternity in a file cabinet. It only took one Tuesday Magic meeting to set things right. We decided that it wasn't too late to correct history. We should give the long-lost Ice Age set its day in the sun (and banish Homelands to the block-less limbo it so richly deserves). I am quite proud to announce that the lost Ice Age set, named Coldsnap, will be released on July 21st. I think you guys are going to have a lot of fun playing with it.

The set is now well into its development cycle so we're not only ready to announce that we're printing it, but I've also been authorized to answer some of the questions that we know will come up.

Q. How many cards will be in the set?
A. 155 -- 65 commons, 50 uncommons, and 40 rares.

Q. Will there be foils?
A. Yes. The way we're treating this is that we uncovered a lost design file, not a completed set. That means we're sending the set through modern development, modern templating, modern typesetting, etc. The card wordings will all be updated to work with current Magic rules (no "interrupts") and we will include such niceties as expansion symbols color-coded by rarity, collector numbers, and foils.

Q. Will the set be legal in Standard?
A. Yes. The set becomes legal for Standard constructed tournaments on August 20th and it rotates out a little over two years later, in conjunction with the Snap, Crackle, Pop block leaving Standard. (It will also be legal in Extended, Legacy, Vintage, and Ice Age Block Constructed, of course.)

Q. Will Coldsnap be released on Magic Online?
A. Yes, expect to see it in mid-August.

Q. Is this the "Snap" set that I already heard you guys were working on?
A. No. The sets in the block after Ravnica are currently codenamed "Snap," "Crackle," and "Pop;" but Coldsnap is a seperate set that comes out two months before [Snap]. Yes this is confusing, especially for those of us working on the sets. It's rivaled only by people talking for many minutes about playing "Control decks" before figuring out that one guy meant blue-based permission decks and the other meant decks with cards from the [Control], [Alt], [Delete] block. You'd think we'd be better at this code-naming thing by now, but oh well. We should have a real name for [Snap] soon and then none of this will matter.

Q. Will there be theme decks?
A. Yes. We're going to publish boosters, theme decks, and a Fat Pack for this release. Since this is the third set of the Ice Age block, of course, the theme decks will include a few cards from the first two sets of the block. For those cards we will be updating them to the new card frames (since Coldsnap uses the new card frames), but we will be keeping their original art.

Q. Will the Ice Age and Alliances cards in the Theme decks be Standard/Extended/whatever legal?
A. No. Only cards that appear in Coldsnap itself become part of Standard. The Ice Age and Alliances cards that appear in the theme decks are still considered part of those original sets.

Q. Will there be a prerelease?
A. Yes -- the prerelease will be on July 8-9. In addition, there will also be release events held at stores all over the world on July 22-23.

Q. Is this why the Dissension release date is a month earlier than it "normally" would be?
A. Yes.

Q. What languages will it be available in?
A. Boosters and theme decks will be in all the regular Magic languages: English, French, German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, and Chinese. The fat pack will be English only.

For more information about Coldsnap and all other Magical topics, keep your browser pointed to magicthegathering.com.

The above was taken from www.magicthegathering.com and was written by Randy Buehler.

Please discuss. This is very exciting news.

Nubaa
10-25-2005, 11:35 PM
The story sounds like BS, but I'm looking forward to this anyways.

Streetz
10-25-2005, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Nubaa
The story sounds like BS, but I'm looking forward to this anyways.

Why. I think it's believable... but who cares about the reason. It's another set of Magic cards to enjoy! That's all I cared about.. and to expand on Cumulative Upkeep, free cards, and snow covered lands.. how cool is that?

Streetz
10-26-2005, 01:11 AM
Einstein.. if you weren't a mod.. that would be spam. :P

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Go, go Cumulative Upkeep cards. I can't wait to see the 'corrected reminder text' on those cards!!! :P

stolin
10-26-2005, 09:20 AM
Im intersted in theme decks!! 8)

Einsteinmonkey
10-26-2005, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Streetz
Einstein.. if you weren't a mod.. that would be spam. :P
And now you're double posting! :wink:

Coldsnap is OMG awesome...rereleasing some IA/AL cards in theme decks!

thegeneralpublic
10-26-2005, 04:00 PM
So i guess homelands is no longer usable in ice age block...SUCKER! :D

UyOwned
10-26-2005, 05:01 PM
it seems believable enough but if you look at it there's nothing here that couldn't have been written on the spot. What I'm saying is, he hasn't released enough information about the set to make it truly believable that the set has actually been worked on: all the details in the article could have been easily fabricated. I am looking forward to the set when it comes out though!

btw, the new ice age and alliances cards in new borders (in the theme decks) will essentially be new cards for collecters. Do you think the reprinted IA block cards will have the same collector numbers as before or will they be renumbered based on their availability with CS theme decks...?

Anway, I'm excited! Nothing like this has ever really happened in Magic before!

Tekkactus
10-26-2005, 05:32 PM
I'm disappointed that they'll be printed in Modern Format, but I'm not one to kick a gift horse in the mouth. Huzzah Soldevi!

Streetz
10-26-2005, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by UyOwned
btw, the new ice age and alliances cards in new borders (in the theme decks) will essentially be new cards for collecters. Do you think the reprinted IA block cards will have the same collector numbers as before or will they be renumbered based on their availability with CS theme decks...?

Anway, I'm excited! Nothing like this has ever really happened in Magic before!

I would think they will hold there existing numbers. The only things changing on the cards from IA & AL cards in the CS theme decks will be the templating, wording (in some cases for corrections) and card frames. The pictures will remain. The card numbers will remain. And so forth.

I'm excited to at least see some artwork from the new cards in Coldsnap.

Go, Go Coldsnap!

thegeneralpublic
10-26-2005, 07:04 PM
@UyOwned: Never thought of that. AWESOME! Ice Age with erratta AND in cool borders!

Dixia Knight
10-26-2005, 09:21 PM
Raise your hand if you think this will be 100% Awesomeness.

stolin
10-26-2005, 09:26 PM
*hand raised* :D I will be picking up some of this set.

Yusuke
10-27-2005, 01:30 AM
[hand half raised] ill get it on octgn :P

thegeneralpublic
10-27-2005, 04:27 PM
[both hands raised] talk about upping the type two card pool!

UyOwned
10-29-2005, 11:27 PM
It's weird though because they will have to make Coldsnap balanced enough to fit the current T2 metagame which probably be inconsistent with the power level of Ice Age and Alliances.

In other words, im guesing there's not gonna be another card at the power level of necropotence or force of will.

I just hope they will be able to use snow-covered lands more creatively and interestingly and that old IA mechanics can have cool new twists and applications.

GRUNT
10-30-2005, 01:13 AM
I'm looking forward to Coldsnap :). Incidently, does anyone remember the card coldsnap? :P

http://cards.mtgnews.com/Cards/IA/Cold_Snap.html

Sir_Zynk
10-31-2005, 01:58 AM
d*mn d*mn d*mn... inpure thoughts... think I might be going to buy some mtg cards in future after all :P
really looking forward get my hands dirty...

PerfectCell
10-31-2005, 02:56 AM
Am I the only person on the planet who thinks the new card layout, post-Mirrodin, looks like crap?

Alright, that aside, of course the reason is BS. But it's still a good idea, and it will sidetrack them long enough to get the next theme plane after Ravnica all set. It's getting to be crappy world trilogy sequence here...what's the next one going to be, post-Coldsnap interruption? "Shaoling Assault: A World of Angry Tibetans"?

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 02:56 PM
Am I the only person on the planet who thinks the new card layout, post-Mirrodin, looks like crap?

Alright, that aside, of course the reason is BS. But it's still a good idea, and it will sidetrack them long enough to get the next theme plane after Ravnica all set. It's getting to be crappy world trilogy sequence here...what's the next one going to be, post-Coldsnap interruption? "Shaoling Assault: A World of Angry Tibetans"?

Modern Format= Dumbed down for younger players. It looks kid-friendly now. Damn Hasbro!

GRUNT
10-31-2005, 06:22 PM
It's funny you should mention that. WHen I first saw the new format for the cards, I thought the exact same thing- "Bah, this is ugly! It's like it's been dumbed-down for kids!"

But now that I've been seeing it for a while, I think it's an improvement- it just looks a lot sleeker and more professional than the older version :P.

Having all the text (including creature type, etc) in black, on a whiter background is also easier on the eyes :).

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 06:46 PM
I think it helped the card organize itself a lot. :wink:

PerfectCell
10-31-2005, 06:46 PM
Whatever. I'm willing to bet at least one of you two also owns an iPod.

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 06:48 PM
wow, that was eerie

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 07:53 PM
I just got used to it because I had no choice.

I. HATE. HASBRO.

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 07:55 PM
I. DON'T. GIVE. A. RAT'S. BEHIND. (jk)

No, really, it has both good and bad parts about it. But it really needed to be cleaned up a little bit.

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 07:57 PM
It worked fine for a decade, it could've kept working fine. I will hold up that modern is in no way better than classic.

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 07:58 PM
what about colored set symbols? You for/against those? CT errata?

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 08:00 PM
Colored set symbols go back to Urza's, so you make no valid point there and...

Onithopter
Artifact Creature- Thopter

...I rest my case.

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 08:03 PM
...explain. I think it helps out a LOT.

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 08:08 PM
Alright, first off.

1) It doesn't add anything flavorwise, it just makes Coat of Arms more expensive.
2) It leads to a bunch of mix ups. Like that one elvish enchantress with human creature type.
3) How is Anarchist a wizard?! A lot of them are just for the sake of errata and not actually improving the playing experience.
4) Once again: Thopter. Thop-friggin-ter.

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 08:10 PM
It adds more flavor-wise to a game started by flavor.

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 08:13 PM
Not true. They cut corners in favor of mechanics. Creature type Ghost is not outdated for 'Spirit'. I'm sick of spirits!

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 08:15 PM
okay, sick of spirits i can see.

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 08:16 PM
Ghosts of the Innocent could have at least been a ghost. You know it's true. And why is Townsfolk considered outdated? That's a class!

Streetz
10-31-2005, 08:17 PM
Should I split this topic, guys? Are we still talking about Coldsnap?

Tekkactus
10-31-2005, 08:18 PM
No, we're debating Classic vs. Modern card formatting. I don't think we have much more to say about Coldsnap until we see some previews anyway.

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 08:27 PM
We're talking about some stuff that will happen to ice age/alliances cards that will appear in coldsnap precons.

Will the entire block get errata?

PerfectCell
10-31-2005, 08:34 PM
Probably. I can't wait to see the Oracle text on cum upkeep on an actual card.

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 08:37 PM
o god. say it aint so.

GRUNT
10-31-2005, 08:42 PM
Probably. I can't wait to see the Oracle text on cum upkeep on an actual card.

I want to see Ice Cauldron with Errata! :D

thegeneralpublic
10-31-2005, 08:43 PM
o god. :roll:

Tekkactus
11-02-2005, 04:56 PM
Cumulative upkeep didn't need reminder text then and it helluva dun need it now. *crosses crossable body parts*

Madbutcher
01-04-2006, 01:15 PM
this i heavy :!:

I like it :D

I wish Coldsnap welcome :P

[Try to stay away from the pointless posts. -Yusuke]

Tynion
01-23-2006, 05:10 PM
I just wanted to chime in a second, when it was earlier referenced that this hadn't happened before... well, might I remind you youngens that Chronicles was practically the same thing, minus the OPPS we lost a freaking set, but dont worry we found it ten years later, bit.

Atleast back then it was a cool idea to reprint alot of dumb cards that barely impacted the envirnment and extended the card pool.

Those guys had no idea what they were doing back in those days, so dont get overly excited. Look at the cards we had. The ones that were supposed to be overly powerful cards.. Seraph, Marton Stromgald... these cards sucked. The mechanics of the block.. we avoided like the plague (except pitch cards like Balduvian Horde and Force of Will) and then the card that was supposed to be the crap rare turned out to be broken as hell. If any one of those losers tell you that they made Necro, knowing it would be so good, then feel free to call them a lying loser. They did not know.

The only Cum Upkeep card that saw any play was Polar Kraken, and that was only becasue he was fat! If he was not so fat, he wouldnt have made it out of the binder. But even his fatness was only as slow as a Nev's disk, so he was usless.

All the snowcovered stuff sucked, the cum upkeep sucked, the Outpost, Lake of the Dead and Force of Will/Arcane Denial (not mentioning the obvious bomb cards) were the only good things going from that block. We kept playing our revised and 4th edition cards. Need I mention that most of the Necro deck was Fallen Empires (Pump Knights, Hymns, Mindstab Thrull). How much did Ice Age even contribute to its own broken deck? Necro, Zuran Orb and Knights of Stromgald.

However, all things now set on the table, if I were still playing, I would buy some just for sentimental value.

BUT SO HELP ME!!! if I buy one more pack of cards from that block and get another freaking Jester's Mask.... grrrrrr!!!! :evil: *angry hates Jester's Mask*

Tekkactus
01-23-2006, 05:56 PM
Erm, Coldsnap will be featuring new cards using the theme of Ice Age. It's not just a bunch of old reprints.

Tynion
01-24-2006, 07:19 AM
Thanks Captain Obvious.

Typically, an expansion set is a direct reflection of or atleast ties into its parent set. It will follow the same theme, have similar, if not the same mechanics, and that. If you remember, the older sets did not add more mechanics as the newer blocks do. They merely expanded the ones set forth for the block, thus, we were to be rewarded with more snow-covered landedness. More Cumulative Goodness, and if we were lucky, another bad pitch card (note: all five colors had a pitch card, without looking, can you name the other four and thier function? Balduvian Horde was not reds.) Mind you, that during this time, we used three of them, but comparable to other stuff made since, only Force of Will turned out to be good.

Yawgmoth
01-24-2006, 09:36 AM
I can name Pyrokinesis and Bounty of the Hunt! Contagion might be the black one, if I remember correctly. I don't think I've seen the white one... I semi-win!! :P

I think that they will apply modern set-creation on Coldsnap and be kind of adapted for standard. Since WotC would most likely wish this set to sell, that's the most likely scenario for me.

Also: Anyone else hoping for Necropotence in the Precons? ;)

kishiesties
03-14-2006, 09:11 PM
WotC has been pushing hard for white weenie a 2/2 for 1 3/3 (sometimes) pro. black for 2, 8.5 tails the list goes on...
I think wotc MIGHT think about bringing BANDING back, the ultamate weenie mechanic.
There will be wizards (like from ice age), Crappy artifacts, Barbarians (woot), Faries (maybe), & snow lands (i hope)! Drafting cold-cold-cold will probably be awesome!

The white one is 4W prevent 7 damage put +0/+1 = to damage prevented (a bad temper if hardcasted)...

mrraow
03-15-2006, 07:35 AM
snow lands (i hope)!
Confirmed - they will be in the fat pack; don't know if they will be anywhere else.

Syphon
03-15-2006, 11:57 AM
I'm getting that pack. Need snow-covered lands. :3

mrraow
03-15-2006, 12:27 PM
From Ask Wizards 2nd March:


We like The Gathering Dark so much, we're even including it in the Coldsnap Fat Pack where it can live right next to the new pitch cards and snow-covered lands!"

kishiesties
03-15-2006, 07:57 PM
it not the snow lands im rooting for (though their art will be cool) im rooting for the cards with cool interactions with snowlands
(E.X. Ice monster 4U
as long as you control a
snow covered land Ice
Monster has trample
3/4) and cool cards like that (maybe a legendary snow covered land?)

Icarus
03-15-2006, 09:04 PM
I hope that with this set they will maybee recapture some of that true magic spirit that seemed to dissapear after the onslaught block... i think that if they used the old borders it would be way better but seing as they have stupidly decided not to i wont blame them... but this set shure as hell better be good... if it has that mass produced feeling that mirrodin, rav and most of all KAMIGAWA had i swear i will burn down R&D myself