good or not?

[bigtrav1983]

creatures
4 avatar of discord
4 drekavac
4 nekrataal
3 scorched rusalka
3 lyzolda, the blood witch
3 rakdos guildmage
3 jagged poppet
spells
4 psychotic fury
4 bond of agony
4 infernal tutor
3 last gasp
lands
4 blood crypt
4 ghost quarter
7 mountain
7 swamp
sideboard
4 volcanic hammer
4 seal of fire
4 hit//run
4 demonfire

[Einsteinmonkey]

Sorry, I don't see any deck here.

[JSweeney]

Originally posted by Einsteinmonkey
Sorry, I don't see any deck here.

I agree. There's far, far too much black there to expect to be able to be at all consistant running off of only 4 Blood Crypts.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't look to be tuned or cohesive enough to be considered a tournement style deck. You'd be better off by starting with a reasonable idea, documenting your thought process, and posting it in casual, and while there, gradually refine it to a point where it would be a tournement deck.

This list, as it is, does not in my eyes have the required polish.
Not only do the casual thread get more views, you'll probably tend to get more of a responce. Most people in this section will likely overlook it, as the law of diminishing returns kicks in quickly when having to deal with untuned decks.

[bigtrav1983]

just forgot to add swamp instead of mountains. oops. i left out the sideboard because i think you can come up with that on your own. the deck does win. imagine this senerio you draw 2 lands avatar of discord, psychotic fury and bond of agony. it's a 4th turn win as long as your not playing against blue or there are no other flyers in play.

[lionden_56]

Originally posted by bigtrav1983
it's a 4th turn win as long as your not playing against blue or there are no other flyers in play.
Which isn't happening much in standard right now. The best standard deck right now (IMO) is Red/White/Blue with Remands, Mana Leaks, and Rewinds coming out the @$$. If Avatar manages to stick, it just gets lightning Helixed next turn. Then you get to deal with Firemane Angel. Not to mention God draws aren't reliable stats. Don't tell us what it does with a God draw. Also, what do you discard with your Avatar...You aren't drawing enough for that to work (on the play at least).
Tell us what it does consitantly. Against Hezzy Street you may have a chance. You're decent against Simic. Against R/W/U you're toast.
I'd go for some hand distruption. T2 kinda sucks for that right now, as Cabal Therapy would be nice in this deck, but Hippies and Delirium skeins could work.

[Einsteinmonkey]

Originally posted by JSweeney+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JSweeney)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Einsteinmonkey
Sorry, I don't see any deck here.

I agree. There's far, far too much black there to expect to be able to be at all consistant running off of only 4 Blood Crypts.[/b][/quote]
Not what I meant...

[bugi986]

Try using tags [*card]...[*/card] (without "*") it helps. There are ppl who don't have all the cards in their mind.
Instead of 4 Necratals wich don't fit in this deck put 4 Gobhobbler Rat
and/or Hellhole Rats
Take 1 avatar out and 1 lyzy out and put Rakdos Augermages in they r killers...

[JSweeney]

Originally posted by lionden_56+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lionden_56)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bigtrav1983
it's a 4th turn win as long as your not playing against blue or there are no other flyers in play.
Which isn't happening much in standard right now. The best standard deck right now (IMO) is Red/White/Blue with Remands, Mana Leaks, and Rewinds coming out the @$$. If Avatar manages to stick, it just gets lightning Helixed next turn. Then you get to deal with Firemane Angel. Not to mention God draws aren't reliable stats. Don't tell us what it does with a God draw. Also, what do you discard with your Avatar...You aren't drawing enough for that to work (on the play at least).
Tell us what it does consitantly. Against Hezzy Street you may have a chance. You're decent against Simic. Against R/W/U you're toast.
I'd go for some hand distruption. T2 kinda sucks for that right now, as Cabal Therapy would be nice in this deck, but Hippies and Delirium skeins could work.[/b][/quote]

I think the numbers might disagree... based on the numbers from regionals, the top decks in standard right now looks to be Ghost Husk, followed by R/G Beatdown, followed by Maginvore, Followed by Firemane Control, then Zoo, Wildfire and Heartbeat.

[bigtrav1983]

you play scorched rusalka 1st drop. 2nd drop you play drekavac. 3rd drop play avatar of discord. the goal is to get ahead in life substantually then play bond of agony and pay the life needed to kill your opponent. when in doubt use your sidebord to clear the way from your opponents creatures. but usually the deck wins before they have enough land to use voidslime, mana leak is a problem but u can also wait until they tap out to play the avatar or bond of agony. if they don't counter the drekavac there introuble they will have to tap to play a creature on there turn or take 4 damage.[1 from the rusalka]. they will continue to take damage if they don't have an answer for the creature you'll be playing. if the lightining helix on the drekavac chances are they won't have another one for a while so your avatar will stay on board the next turn.

[bigtrav1983]

nekrataal fits well into the main board it eleminates an opponents threat and leaves you with a 2/1 first striker. if there are no apponents threats you can discard him with the avatar. also takes care of firemane angle pritty good. angainst zoo u almost have to use the sidebord to eleminate the opponents early threats. but once u have avatar in play ur pritty much even for swing points. 5/3 flyer is hard for zoo to take care of.

[lionden_56]

Sweeney, i said that Firemane Control is the best deck IMO, I didn't say the numbers would support it :wink:

@bigtrav: First, don't double post.

Originally posted by bigtrav
but usually the deck wins before they have enough land to use voidslime
You usually win on turn 3? I don't see this deck winning on turn 3.


f the lightining helix on the drekavac chances are they won't have another one for a while so your avatar will stay on board the next turn.
By what logic? There is just as much a chance of two Helixes sitting on top of each other as there is of them being spread out.


5/3 flyer is hard for zoo to take care of.
Right...except for the 4x char and the 4x Lightning Helix and in some cases the 4x Faith's Fetters...

You are underestimating the metagame. Every top deck has a way of getting rid of threats. They wouldn't be top-tier if they didn't. Your strategy seems based around this god-draw of T1 Rusulka, T2 vac, t3 avatar. If this deck gets off to a slow start, it is in serious trouble. Last Gasps don't do much against Rumbling Slums.


Also, on a non-deck related note...please re-read your posts before clicking submit. what's an apponent? and its pretty good, not pritty good.

[bigtrav1983]

maybe it's not that good but playing with it is fun and it does win more then you make it sound. sorry for the type o but sometimes that happens. bond of agony is a great killer card when played right. but like i said maybe it's not that good. if you go first the avatar gets in play before the voidslime, that is all i was saying. it can win turn four but it's one heck of a draw that happens more then you think. i don't wish to argue but i have not played it much against other decks out there yet. it was just a deck i planned to enter at the local tournament. it could do well there, maybe.

[lionden_56]

In a local tournament, yes it may do fine. It all depends on the metagame. If you are playing people with the polished, battle-hardened netdecks, you may be in for a long day. But in a local meta where the players aren't going to be as good and the decks are watered down, who knows? Remember, this is Magic...playskill will win the day, no matter what the decks look like.

I'd personally go -3 Last Gasp +3 Seal of Doom, but keep the last gasps in the sideboard. Husk gets annoying, but neither seal or Last Gasp will kill it, so its a horse a piece there. Same thing with Magnivore. Sure, its a turn slower, but it kills Rumbling Slum and anything that has been Cloaked.