December 2008 - MCC - Discussion

[Cashew]

Get your discuss on!

[George G]

very raw first draft i just put up. definitly changing art but wanted something on it for now. I also think there is a better way to word it for the choice of hound cat or squirrel. plus going to flirt with flavor text without making it wordy. it's a little bitterblossomy too...

Just wanted something up there i guess so i could sleep.

thanks and good luck to all this month

[evol_intentions]

hey evryone, i just wanted to get feedback on this card befor i put it up an fail as miserably as i did last month so what do we think is it to wordy an should i just scrap the idea??
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/kingez36/Souldealings.jpg

[NeoMagicwarrior]

card up and ready for scrutiny


@evol: like the idea....needs MASSIVE REWORDING.....ask YWN for some help there

[KlassyReborn]

i've just got to say: Ultimate Gift Card!

[Luthervamplord]

@Neo: Your wording is slightly off (I believe) and might work better as such:

"Choose one - Exchange life totals with target opponent or exchange control of all your permanents with all the permanents target opponent controls."

@George: I like the concept of different creature types but in truth, it's just fluff - choose a type and stick with it.

[KlassyReborn]

Ok, my card is up, i decided to go with a simple card. Last time i did that it seemed to work in my favor. So here's my inspiration for my card:

1) Coldsnap. My favorite set of all time. I love snow card, they're just so powerful when you're playing non-snow decks.
2) Crib Swap. Quite the powerful card, in the begining, middle, and end.
3) Me. I inspire myself. I'm just that amazing.
4) YWN. He inspires me to take him out of the top atleast one month. Damn you YWN. Damn you...

Edit: I was thinking about doing landwalk instead of unblockable, but with the cost it has, it would be so easy to work around that, instead of paying 2, you could easily pay 4 in a mono-white deck, and give it islandwalk...so idk, what do you all think of taht?

[Luthervamplord]

@Klassy: I suggest only one minor change to the card:
"Destroy target Non-Black creature. Its controller puts a 1/1 Black and Blue Ghoul token with Unblockable into play."

If I were to change that slightly though, I'd exchange "Unblockable" for something like "Cannot be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control." - Unblockable is nice, but all it would take is a -1/-1 spell/ability and the creature's gone.

@Evol: The idea of using Converted mana cost seems rather unfair as a means to take control here - What happens if I'm running Weenie or you just removed my Highest CMC creature? Perhaps a better way would be to do what Black does best and go Graveyard Manipulation.

"At the beginning of your upkeep, you may choose target creature. Each player may bid a number of cards in their graveyard to be removed from the game. You start the bidding with a bid of 0. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder must remove the highest bids worth of cards in their graveyard from the game and gains control of the creature. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)"

To my mind, that ability just seems more in line with what Black does and doesn't completely cripple yourself in the process. It would be a great Multi-player format card too.

EDIT: Just so you can see where the wording comes from: Illicit Auction

[KlassyReborn]

@Klassy: I suggest only one minor change to the card:
"Destroy target Non-Black creature. Its controller puts a 1/1 Black and Blue Ghoul token with Unblockable into play."

If I were to change that slightly though, I'd exchange "Unblockable" for something like "Cannot be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control." - Unblockable is nice, but all it would take is a -1/-1 spell/ability and the creature's gone.

How about changing it to it can't be the target of spells or abilities at all? All it could take is a blanket effect to take care of it; ie Crovax, Ascendant Hero or WoG effects

[Luthervamplord]

In which case, the token needs "Protection from Instants" and/or "Protection from Sorceries" - Otherwise, even Shroud won't save him from WoG

[KlassyReborn]

In which case, the token needs "Protection from Instants" and/or "Protection from Sorceries" - Otherwise, even Shroud won't save him from WoG

well that's the point. I don't want to give them something i can't touch. Even Crib Swap has that weakness.

[evol_intentions]

"At the beginning of your upkeep, you may choose target creature. Each player may bid a number of cards in their graveyard to be removed from the game. You start the bidding with a bid of 0. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder must remove the highest bids worth of cards in their graveyard from the game and gains control of the creature. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)"[/I]

EDIT: Just so you can see where the wording comes from: Illicit Auction

i 100% agree with you there and graveyard/ souls are very flavourfully linked so thanks for the heads up, an the wording i used was Pain's Reward but im pretty sure wordings the same. although i was goin on the hope that the creatures a player removed from the game could be targets for the next bid, correct me if im wrong, so thanks again x
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/kingez36/Souldealings2.jpg

still seems to wordy though an that is the reason i failed last month

[Luthervamplord]

@ KR - Then leave Unblockable; was just offering another line of thought

@ evol - Only a slight change now, which the inflection "choose one;..." for choose one -" as seen on such cards as The Charm Cycle in T2 (http://ww2.wizards.com/Gatherer/index.aspx?term=Charm&Field_Name=on&Field_Rules=on&Field_Type=on&setfilter=Standard&output=Spoiler)

[evol_intentions]

tchearz for the help :)

[KlassyReborn]

@ KR - Then leave Unblockable; was just offering another line of thought

I appreciate it, though i may go along the lines of that

[George G]

In which case, the token needs "Protection from Instants" and/or "Protection from Sorceries" - Otherwise, even Shroud won't save him from WoG

protection from sorceries wouldn't protect it from wog either...

[KlassyReborn]

protection from sorceries wouldn't protect it from wog either...

true, protection from X means that X has to target it, in which case, WoG doesn't target,

[_b4g3r_]

My card is up, any thoughts? :E

[KlassyReborn]

ehh b4g3r, ya got an interesting card to say the least...you'll allowing an opponent to destroy a land, in addition they have to give up one of their lands...i mean, you could take one of their swamps and they could destroy your shellshock isle...kinda screws you up more than it could help

[HaydenX]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/HaydenX2/ParshBrennekv2.jpg

This is my submission. So far I'm kind of surprised that mine is the only planeswalker. I've already submitted it, but...any thoughts?

[GG Crono]

Is the wording okay on mine? I'm a bit uncertain, as I don't think there's any sort of precedent for this kind of thing.

Also, try saying "Deceitful Efreet" ten times fast. ;)

[KlassyReborn]

Also, try saying "Deceitful Efreet" ten times fast. ;)

Done. Give me $5

[mindfleischer]

i don't know if the wording of my card is okay. could someone or our worst nightmare say something about that? thanks.

[akashmar]

card submitted, waiting for comments and suggestions

[KlassyReborn]

Akashmar, i think you should change your card to read "Whenever you're dealt combat damage..." instead of regular damage, because for just :r: someone could Tarfire you and gain control of that. And with a goblin deck, it's not so great.

[akashmar]

Akashmar, i think you should change your card to read "Whenever you're dealt combat damage..." instead of regular damage, because for just :r: someone could Tarfire you and gain control of that. And with a goblin deck, it's not so great.

It's much more than tarfire and goblin decks. I made it "whenever you're dealt damage" on purpose because of "creatures can't attack" abilities out there (it would kinda make it broken).

The other thing is flavor. The idea is if you can't handle this "legacy", you're not worth of it and its power goes to the guy who overcame you. Something like that. :)

[KlassyReborn]

It's much more than tarfire and goblin decks. I made it "whenever you're dealt damage" on purpose because of "creatures can't attack" abilities out there (it would kinda make it broken).

The other thing is flavor. The idea is if you can't handle this "legacy", you're not worth of it and its power goes to the guy who overcame you. Something like that. :)

true, it's also broken here too...Ivory Mask anyone?

[akashmar]

true, it's also broken here too...Ivory Mask anyone?

what does ivory mask have to do with anything? you can still be dealt damage even if u have ivory mask in play. don't forget combat damage is still damage and even damage you deal to your self counts.

@GG Crono: your card is extremely weak. just look at scarscale ritual. it only costs a -1/-1 counter. your card is not even playable in its current state.

@HaydenX: i think you should tone you card down .. a lot .. basically you're trying to make your planeswalker indestructible., and you cannot mess with recurring destruction of permanents. that's the law.

@b4g3r: i like your card, but there's no reason to make it legendary. and flavor it with some scary text or something.

@kingez: your card is not playable using the current magic rules (someone correct me if i'm mistaken). in the current rules, the only way to use your opponents lands is when you actually control them, or control his/her turn (see mindslaver). I don't think cashew will let this by, you might actually get disqualified :)

[KlassyReborn]

what does ivory mask have to do with anything? you can still be dealt damage even if u have ivory mask in play. don't forget combat damage is still damage and even damage you deal to your self counts.

meh, ivory mask protects against direct damage and you've got indestructible creatures...all you need to do is have a creature that can block all sorts of evasions, like flying, shadow, etc.

[akashmar]

meh, ivory mask protects against direct damage and you've got indestructible creatures...all you need to do is have a creature that can block all sorts of evasions, like flying, shadow, etc.

now you're just rambling :P

[KlassyReborn]

now you're just rambling :P

I'm a ramblin man...ya know that song by the Allman brothers? It's about me...

[_b4g3r_]

ehh b4g3r, ya got an interesting card to say the least...you'll allowing an opponent to destroy a land, in addition they have to give up one of their lands...i mean, you could take one of their swamps and they could destroy your shellshock isle...kinda screws you up more than it could help

ok, i changed it, now it blows up only basics... now it helps more :D


@b4g3r: i like your card, but there's no reason to make it legendary. and flavor it with some scary text or something.

not legendary any more...

Any new suggestions?

[George G]

@LutherVamp: your right, I went with just cat, I think this contest is a constant struggle between doing what is most accurate and what is the most fun, at least I may decide to keep my art because of it.

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

Hi. I'm new to MTG vortex, though I have posted with the same handle on other magic sites. My submission to the MCC is a green/white hybrid tribal enchantment, type gargoyle. In the spirit of giving, it forces opponents to give over their non-basic lands, and gives opponents 3/3 Gargoyle tokens with flying and defender to replace them. I wanted to give G/W a quasi-"Blood Moon" effect... that is, a three-costed enchantment that messes with non-basics. I really like how the art came out, as the green and white parts of the art contrast with the green and white sides of the card's colors. Any responses welcome.

[KlassyReborn]

Hi. I'm new to MTG vortex, though I have posted with the same handle on other magic sites. My submission to the MCC is a green/white hybrid tribal enchantment, type gargoyle. In the spirit of giving, it forces opponents to give over their non-basic lands, and gives opponents 3/3 Gargoyle tokens with flying and defender to replace them. I wanted to give G/W a quasi-"Blood Moon" effect... that is, a three-costed enchantment that messes with non-basics. I really like how the art came out, as the green and white parts of the art contrast with the green and white sides of the card's colors. Any responses welcome.

it's an interesting card to say the least. I actually enjoy this card. So many ways to abuse it, but on it's own it's fairly balanced :)

[mindfleischer]

@Punkrockanarchymagic:
very nice card (my fav until now) - but the casting cost look horribel. it would be nice if all mana symbols were hybrid.
and i would try to find a better artwork...

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

@Punkrockanarchymagic:
very nice card (my fav until now) - but the casting cost look horribel. it would be nice if all mana symbols were hybrid.
and i would try to find a better artwork...

Thanks for the responses!

I felt like the card should need both white and green mana to cast. Mono-white shouldn't get this because gaining control of lands is a very green ability (see Gilt-Leaf Archdruid), and mono-green shouldn't get this because gargoyles are traditionally white creatures, and opponent's creatures having defender is also a white ability (see Gelid Shackles). Also, I like the art so much that I actually designed the card around it... it's from a painting, so it isn't as sharp as photoshop art or a digital photo, but I prefer it that way.

[George G]

Looking for feedback on whether this is too powerful or not...havent figured out a gift mechanic for it yet but it seems like a good base to start with......thoughts?



http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq160/Ggarnermtg/Brokena.jpg

Tell me someone "gets" this.....

1000 bonus points to the first one of you who laughs with me here...

[mindfleischer]

@castle:
your card needs rewording
"... gains control of ~ and loses 4 life."

@george g:
should this be funny? sorry, i did not unterstand the joke behind your words...

[death by aggro]

Unless it's got something to do with 4,5,6 or the close proximity of two pieces of wood, I'm not getting it either.

Also, in it's current state, it's definetely overpowered, and possibly broken. It definetely would see play in some kind of either Mono-White or Red-White control deck. You can either use land destruction or set this up post-Wrath to basically take someone out of the game.

[George G]

You know aggro, that is a great point....It's very overpowered, and monthly contest winners shouldn't be like that...you are so right. What if I made the card a planeswalker with just static abilities that prevented the 6 damage for 5 mana and made them sacrifice like 4 permanents when they hit me? Hope that hasn't been done...

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

Can we edit the card render/card text after we post? I just want to change 'have shroud' to 'gain shroud', but I dont know if I can do that and still be in the contest... is that considered cheating? Is there a deadline for finished cards?

[George G]

u can change as much as u want up until deadline

[p-chan]

I'm going to ask for some kind of feedback that I think is not suitable for the workshop: the flavor text.

I see one problem in the flavor of my card: colored artifacts are exclusive of Esper, but my flavor text reflects it's a Grixis artifact. I would like to reflect the use of flesh instead of Eterium in the construction of the grimoire, and it's voracious hunger, but...well, I can't come up with anything I like :P

If someone has any idea, It would be fantastic. And of course, any kind of feedback you want to give will be welcome

[ThunderHog]

My creature is going to eat everyone. Mwhahaha!!!

[Luthervamplord]

@ P-chan: How about the following:
"Through the gentle, controlled application of several arts it is possible to sculpt flesh and bone much in the way we have shaped Etherium for years. - Random Esper Flavor Text Name"

[GG Crono]

Godsdammit, YWN. XD

[ThunderHog]

I hope you get into a car-accident YWN. I really don't, but it's all I have to say to you...

[Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!]

****!!! Curse you YWN, once again your card is just jaw dropping.

Also my card is up, in it's 2.0 form(Thanks Luther).

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

<- Refuses to be intimidated by a good card. I especially like YWN's art choice (though I do think my card's abilities are better. I dont know about all of you, but after being the target of many Mindslaver activations over the past several years, controlling another person's turn has lost it's novelty for me).

Nonetheless, I wish YWN (and all monthly card contest participants) the best of luck.

I just realized that my Overgrown Gargoyles card is a probably a subconscious homage to Wellspring- A card I didn't even realize existed until yesterday. I love that about magic... that despite having thousands of cards all but memorized, I can still be pleasantly suprised by old obscure cards I've never seen before (Or maybe I just dont remember seeing them before. Anyway, I'm glad to confirm that enchantments controlling other people's lands has been and can be a W/G ability).

[p-chan]

@ P-chan: How about the following:
"Through the gentle, controlled application of several arts it is possible to sculpt flesh and bone much in the way we have shaped Etherium for years. - Random Esper Flavor Text Name"

Thank you man, and believe me when I say you inspired me, even when the flavor text I've chosen doesn't reflect it :P

[Luthervamplord]

Actually; I'm not particularly taken on YWN's card this time around - Don't get me wrong dude; the concept hit's the nail right on the head and works wonder's but in application I see no real benefit to this card.

I mean, follow the logic - You will take control of your opponent's turn and will make them discard cards, use destruction spells on their own stuff and if possible, force a huge discard action. And then guess what he's going to do - The exact same thing. In short, the benefit of this card will be felt by the person with the least to lose.

I don't know; I'd have felt more inspired by a recycling Mindslaver in that once you use it, it passes to your opponent's control after you end their turn.

[evol_intentions]

Looking for feedback on whether this is too powerful or not...havent figured out a gift mechanic for it yet but it seems like a good base to start with......thoughts?



http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq160/Ggarnermtg/Brokena.jpg

Tell me someone "gets" this.....

1000 bonus points to the first one of you who laughs with me here...


HAHAHAHA i think i get it! unless im just bein a simpleton, but im pretty sure i get it, i think
(just to clarify its meant to be that card that won is it?)


so errr how are you going to ship me those 1000 bonus points

[George G]

They are like "whose line is it anyway points", but they are awarded to you

[Eldros]

And we've got a winner! Wow, the overall flavor of YWN is ... the words felt me. I especially like the flavor text. To say the truth none of the other submission gave me so much of a first impression that I felt the need to comment about a contest I'm not in.

[p-chan]

@p-chan
Not really a "gift" or an "exchange", it's just a card anyone can use.


Okay, this is true. And so...I've decided to return to my first idea. I rejected it because I thought it was going to reach a lame ranking, be labelled as not original, and so on; but know what? I'll take the risk; after all, noone did this before :D

It's a simply planeshifted Eladamri's vineyard (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?name=eladamri%27s%20vineyard); looking at the amount of Dark ritual (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?name=eladamri%27s%20vineyard)-like cards that red is having in the last expansions, and other cards like Braid of fire (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=122123), I think it's very appropiated.

I won't change my entry, but I would like to know what you think :P

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

Changed my card to be all hybrid mana after all. Hope it doesn't break the card, but yeah gold just didn't seem right.

[Azrael Subucni]

Didn't get mine up as early as I'd hoped, but a lot earlier than in previous rounds. Unsure on name, may change. Critique away!

Also, personally, I'm not overly intimidated by YWN's entry this round. It's a unique card, and I like the flavor text, but it really didn't wow me like his usually do.

[death by aggro]

Also, personally, I'm not overly intimidated by YWN's entry this round. It's a unique card, and I like the flavor text, but it really didn't wow me like his usually do.

I find it's simplicity brilliant, but something about it just isn't clicking with me. That being said, I can already see it beating the tar outta my entry:p.

Also, I love the art on yours. That Cloister guy does some good stuff, I'll have to check that site more.

[George G]

I guess I'm the only one to see this, but whether or not it was done intentionally, YWN left off the very important reminder text that players don't lose life due to mana burn. If it was intentionally left off, then we have a 6 mana spell that is without argument broken(not that that meant much last month) because if they have less life than mana when its cast the game is over, if YWN left it off by accident then I'm glad to help the defending champ in good sport.

[death by aggro]

I guess I'm the only one to see this, but whether or not it was done intentionally, YWN left off the very important reminder text that players don't lose life due to mana burn.

Ah! Good eye Mr.G:D!

[Castle]

ok i put up a new card and would like some feedback on it, also not sure if i worded it correctly.

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

Feedback-

Mental Possession and Mind Exchange- These are either missing important reminder text or are just badly worded/punctuated, or both. Mental Possession says "another play" instead of "another player" (where I think it should say "an opponent"), "there" when there should be a "that", and no period at the end of the rules text- it's painfull to read, and I'm only assuming that it does what I think it does because of the unclear wording. Both cards desperately need reminder text about mana burn. Neither of these cards are all that exciting to me in the first place though... then again, I'm not a big Mindslaver fan, which is the obvious primary influence for both cards. Despite my dislike of Mindslaver, it was an innovative design and still is a special card because of it's unique effect. Slapping it on a 6-costed blue sorcery with an 'opponent controls your next turn' drawback is neither innovative nor special IMO, and serves to undermine the unique aspect of Mindslaver's ability.

Adjourning Mage- The word "red" is capitalized when it shouldn't be.

Life Bearing Amulet- "4 or less" instead of "4 of less" (typo?), and the word "points" probably isn't needed here.

Cursed Tome- The words "upkeep" and "target" are capitalized when they shouldn't be, and the word "upkeep" should be followed by a comma.

Deranged Tutor- "His or Her" instead of "His/Her".

Mystic Saboteur- Large rules headache with using an opponent's mana sources. Second ability should be at least two seperate sentances, and should probably be followed up with some reminder text about how using an opponent's mana sources would work.

Frostbite- The word "ghoul" should be capitalized, and the word "creature" belongs before the word "token".

Soul Dealings- The word "creature" is capitalized when it shouldn't be. "the highest bid's worth of" should probably be replaced with "that many". Second sentance should be a continuation of the first, with a comma and the word "then" instead of the period. I would reccomend some more research on the wording of cards that require a bidding contest.

Deadland- The word "basic" misspelled (typo?).

[KlassyReborn]

thanks everyone who commente4d on my card, it took a while, but V2 is up. Rather than Crib Swap, i wanted to give my opponent something with more substance. And to protect it even farther, i made sure, (s)he couldn't do anything to it either ;) Unless it's something like Overrun.

[death by aggro]

You are correct punk (just looked it up on Gatherer for reference). I'll be switching up my card soon.

[akashmar]

i updated my card .. again .. appreciate some feedback

[George G]

Can anyone help me out? I cant get the comma to appear in my activation cost between the mana symbol and tap symbol. If I push comma it makes a comma with a weird bubble, grrrrr.....

[evol_intentions]

lol i suppose this is why you should wait till the end of the month befor putting cards up, cos im constantly changing my card idea and tweaking it.
anyway completly (sorta-ish) new idea so hows it lookin compared to la old one:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/kingez36/RapaciousRonin.jpg

[akashmar]

Can anyone help me out? I cant get the comma to appear in my activation cost between the mana symbol and tap symbol. If I push comma it makes a comma with a weird bubble, grrrrr.....

type the mana symbole, then the comma, then space, then the tap symbol.

i think this should fix it

[Castle]

ok updated my card and should be clearer, but if not its spose to give a player an extra turn (yes you could target your self if you wanted to) then the player who got an extra turn chooses an opponit to take control of there extra turn

and some thoughts on some cards

@kingez36@hotmail.co.uk- I'm confused on how the card would be helpful to you other then wasting a players mana. i would restate it as "end of turn" or something along the lines so you could have control of it befor you give it away

@akashmar- just a thought but i think XX would work well in the mana cost and would prolong it so it doesn't come out too early in a game with lots of mana behind it *cough* elf *cough*

[akashmar]

@akashmar- just a thought but i think XX would work well in the mana cost and would prolong it so it doesn't come out too early in a game with lots of mana behind it *cough* elf *cough*

the more you pay for X, the riskier is it is for you. i mean you could go all in and spend 8 mana on the card to have a 7/7 flier with haste, but your opponent is gonna put a creature with cc of 6 into play at the same time, how much risk do you REALLLLY wanna take? :)

the thing i love most about magic is uncertainty and risk :P and this card deliciously serves both

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

@evol_intentions: Hybrid border on what would normally be a gold card... is this intentional? Great art and name. Frightening ability. Rapracious Ronin could see play very early with red and black rituals, and bidding life on a huge creature in early turns makes me scared of the whole game comming down to that bidding war (or whoever's holding the removal spell). Is this also intentional? Maybe it's just me, but it seems undercosted.

@Castle- Looking better. Still some slight wording errors... "opponent" misspelled, "there" should be "their". Here's how I would word it...

Target player takes an extra turn after this one. That player chooses one of his or her opponents to control that turn. (The controler of that turn sees all cards that player could see and makes all decisions for that player, and that player doesn't lose life because of mana burn).

@Akashmar- I really like it. Fairly costed, risky and exciting red effect, great art and name. Gets better (or maybe just more interesting) in multiplayer, which I think is always a plus. P.S.- The word "haste" need not be capitalized.

@kingez36@hotmail.co.uk- Roaring Drake is an awesome card. Simple, powerfull. Great name, amazing art, fantastic and unique concept, excellent use of ability kewords, totally nails the contest's objective. My favorite (other than my own) so far. How about adding a sweet custom expansion symbol? P.S.- The word "shroud" need not be capitalized, and the same goes for the word "flying", because you could word it as "Flash, flying, shroud" if you aren't using reminder text for the flash ability. Also, "4 lands" should be spelled out as "four lands".

[George G]

type the mana symbole, then the comma, then space, then the tap symbol.

i think this should fix it


http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq160/Ggarnermtg/grrr.jpg

this is frustratingly what happens

Thanks for the try though

[akashmar]

i think i know the fix this time. in the card as it is above, select the two circles between the mana symbol and the tap symbol (one empty and one containing the comma). then press ctrl-M (hold Ctrl and then click M, just in case you don't know). If this doesn't fix, i don't know what will.

[p-chan]

@kingez36@hotmail.co.uk: Well...maybe it's just me, but...I would never play your card's ability. An hybrid green/blue 4/3 flyer with shroud and flash? If you ask me, It's a bit/rather overpowered, more since mono-green has never been known for it's good flyers. I would remove "flying" from the card for balance, or change it for trample or something like. It would be a shame for the art, that's true...

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

hmm. P-chan, you have a point. As cool as Roaring Drake is, because it flies it shouldn't be playable in mono-green. Maybe an activated ability could give it flying? Or a conditional static ability like "If an opponent controls a creature with flying, Roaring Drake gains flying."? The card could retain it's current wording (see my last post in this thread) if it were mono-blue.

[Azrael Subucni]

Mono-blue wouldn't quite work, since blue rarely gets efficient beatsticks. Green is allowed to (rarely) have flyers, but usually they get more greened up (Jugan, the Rising Star). Maybe make it gold?

My main problem isn't the color, it's the Shroud. Seems to me, the best use for the last ability is to make your opponent play it, then use a card to gain control of it. With shroud, that becomes very difficult. If there's another use for the ability, aside from a little mana draining, I'm missing it.

[Castle]

@kingez36@hotmail.co.uk: Well...maybe it's just me, but...I would never play your card's ability. An hybrid green/blue 4/3 flyer with shroud and flash? If you ask me, It's a bit/rather overpowered, more since mono-green has never been known for it's good flyers. I would remove "flying" from the card for balance, or change it for trample or something like. It would be a shame for the art, that's true...


hmm. P-chan, you have a point. As cool as Roaring Drake is, because it flies it shouldn't be playable in mono-green. Maybe an activated ability could give it flying? Or a conditional static ability like "If an opponent controls a creature with flying, Roaring Drake gains flying."? The card could retain it's current wording (see my last post in this thread) if it were mono-blue.

there is no problem with mono green fliers. i can get a list of mono green fliers from new and older sets if you want, not to mention multicolored fliers with green. so i believe there is no issue with its color and flying. i believe the green blue hybrid is fine and suits it well


Mono-blue wouldn't quite work, since blue rarely gets efficient beatsticks. Green is allowed to (rarely) have flyers, but usually they get more greened up (Jugan, the Rising Star). Maybe make it gold?

My main problem isn't the color, it's the Shroud. Seems to me, the best use for the last ability is to make your opponent play it, then use a card to gain control of it. With shroud, that becomes very difficult. If there's another use for the ability, aside from a little mana draining, I'm missing it.

i agree with Azrael about the overall use of the card. the only use i see is wasting mana. i would remove shroud, witch i personally kinda find pointless, and possibly find a way to prolong giving control of it to the opponent such as they gain control of it at the end of turn

[kingez36@hotmail.co.uk]

wow, i dont think ive ever had tis much feedback, thanks for all the help guys.

shroud was definatly pointless, its was just to stop the abusing of bounce effects, allso i made it weaker, how many players would want to give an opponent a 4/3 flyer with shroud just to tap a few lands. however i just cant do it to the amazing art and remove flying, it would be cruel.

[George G]

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq160/Ggarnermtg/LordLydanResurrector-3.jpg

Thank you AKASHMAR!!! How in the world did you come up with ctrl-m?

Anyway I'm bubble free, Thank you!

[akashmar]

Thank you AKASHMAR!!! How in the world did you come up with ctrl-m?

Anyway I'm bubble free, Thank you!

lmao .. in magic set editor, if you want to turn a character into a symbol, you press ctrl-m. it also works in reverse (i.e. turning a symbol into a character like an island sign into a U).

And yeah, don't forget to put a space after the commas. Little mistakes like those cost you the tournament :P

[George G]

Thanks again Akashmar, I will give you an assist on me making the top 30 this month....I hope.

[akashmar]

Thanks again Akashmar, I will give you an assist on me making the top 30 this month....I hope.

Well you can make the top 10 if you want, all you have to do is make your gift card more "gifty". If you play that card in a zombie deck, which will probably be the case, the gift ability could never be used as there is no need for it.

How about this:

Lydan, Resurrector 1RB
Legendary Creature - Zombie Shaman
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player puts a 2/2 black zombie creature token into play.
RB: ~ deals damage equal to the number of zombies in play to target creature other than ~. Any player may play this ability.
2/2

[evol_intentions]

i just cant stick to 1 idea

[death by aggro]

I did some more research on Gatherer, and using his/her instead of "his or her" is fine as long as you use the instance more than once. My card uses it twice, so I'm fine.

Good luck all, it should be a fun finish this time around:)!

[FrycHiKn]

@dvGreenFrog: What's the deal with the white border?

[KlassyReborn]

@dvGreenFrog: What's the deal with the white border?

old school feel?

[dvGreenFrog]

The white background inquiry has been handled. You may now stop sweating profusely. ;)

[Punkrockanarchymagic]

@dvGreenFrog: I like the idea behind your card, and the artwork, but I feel it could be improved.

I realize you like the white border, but the judges are probably going to be looking at these cards in these forums, and will see your card with a light backround. I think your artwork might be accentuated through a dark border, as it would draw the viewer's eye toward the center of the art where the light is.

The way the card's wording makes it work could be examined. Note that the lands you are refering to on the card are not being "played", but are being "put into play" from a library, and so the last ability of the card wouldn't trigger. Exchanging "played in this fashion" with "which come into play in this fashion" could possibly address this.

The mana cost is pretty high. If you already have 5 lands to play this, how important is it to get more? I would suggest a converted mana cost of three.

Black does not usually get this sort of ability, where it can get massive amounts of lands into play quickly- it's usually in green (check Burgeoning and Exploration). The ability could be more black if the ability cost 1 life instead of 1 colorless mana- being more akin to Phyrexian Arena or even Necropotence.

Remembering which lands are indestructable and which aren't could also prove important later in the game.

Here's what I'd do...

Integrate Horizon BBB
Legendary Enchantment
Integrate Horizon in indestructable.
Lands are indestructable.
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may pay 1 life. If you do, search that player's library for a land with the same name, put that land into play under your control, that that player shuffles his or her library.

Also, I feel compelled to say that the gift-giving flavor of this card is a bit hard to grasp. Here's another more gift-y suggestion...

Integrate Horizon BBB
Legendary Enchantment
Integrate Horizon in indestructable.
Lands are indestructable.
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may pay 1 life. If you do, search that player's library for a land with the same name, put that land into play under your control, that that player shuffles his or her library. Any player may play this ability.

This card would be a big gift in multiplayer.

[dvGreenFrog]

Punkrock,

I don't know how to thank you enough for the advice... I read your post, took another look at my old card and said, "Wow. He's kinda... right..."

I have changed it and I hope everyone including you will like it better. I think it's a little more giving, as well as intense.

The white border was just taboo I guess. I like the black one on the colorless card in any case, so it works for me! :)

And yes, I changed it to 3 colorless becuase like you said, swamps aren't all about the land and the life. Colorless, on the other end, takes a neutral/helpful stance most of the time. My card really doesn't look all that dark and evil anyway...

Also, I made Horizon plural since there are clearly TWO combining into one. Not one into one. haha

[Cashew]

Last Day for Entries - Edits. Merry Christmas!

[dvGreenFrog]

@mindfleischer

You may want to change around the wording of your card...

Right now, to play it you must sac one of your permanents. Then the effect/ability of the card comes through, which is where you'd take from their graveyard. Then they have to sac a permanent and can do the same. Lastly, you can repeat the process as many times as you want.

Alright. Now, when you repeat the process, you repeat it from where the ability/effect comes in, right? In order to play the card you sac a permanent, but you don't sacrifice anything as part of the effect/ability. That means that you can take freely from his or her graveyard, but he or she has to sac permanents to do the same to you? It's not very gifty or exchange-like if I'm correct...

Maybe you'd consider moving the sac on your end into the effect/ability so that you even out the losses and gains between players? In multiplayer, this card has the possibility to completely devastate your opponents at almost no cost to you! :o

[Cashew]

A little late now. Submissions and edits are officially closed.

[death by aggro]

So, is this thread gonna remain as our discussion thread, or are we getting a new one?