Fit the Flavor Round 7 - Discussion

[Cashew]

So what's to discuss? Maybe how awesome I am. I expect five point topics from all participants on that, leaving well over a thousand topic points undiscussed.

[Elistral]

interesting flavour texts this time, was hard choosing one, one kinda hit me so i went with it.

[hamsandwich]

Klassy, i like your card, but it feels like it should have retrace...

[final_press]

Luther.... Bedlam, sorry mate :P

[Luthervamplord]

Shoot - okay; new plan!

EDIT: Better?

[Ryuzaki]

Not sure if the judges will rip your card for having "enchantments" instead of "enchantment", but just in case? :P

[final_press]

Maybe that's the new WotC plan to spice of SoA?

"Mark Rosewater presents - Plural cards! These cards are to be treated as two cards... all effects that can stack, do so.. 6 times... you have to destroy it with sweeps, as spot removal only gets one of them...." It could happen :p

[Luthervamplord]

*Stares at the Crazies*
*Stares at feet*
*Scratches forehead*
*Walks away*

[final_press]

*ahem*... yes, well... :o

On a genuinely on-topic note, an explanation/defence of my card!
With the flavour saying "Irreverence is the champion of liberty", I guess it's saying that freedom can come for breaking the bonds of respect/authority from whatever force is currently in control. Therefore the card is supposed to show other players rising up against the current "top dog" in any one game. I originally was going to have damage/loss of life somehow connected to weenies, or just creatures in general... but the card just felt like a Mob Justice clone, and pretty unoriginal. Of course the card is intended for multiplayer, so like Agent of Masks and the like, it's admittedly pretty weak in single-player.

@elistral; I like the card, but I don't entirely get the flavour behind the mechanic, could you maybe explain it?

@Act2; As funny as I found the title, I think the card seems to be an enchantment with the title and the way it works... whereas an artifact is just titled by what it is, e.g. Trojan Cow. Funny card though, quite Monty Python :)

[Elistral]

@final; well i thought of it like instead of using an artifact to strengthen a creature, i would use an enchant, because a mass majority of enchants strengthen the creature as well as protect them from effects, the new split enchantment-aura's from Eventide are perfect examples. soo basically instead of individual little enchant-auras, i went for a single enchantment. also to keep it in play you strive to keep 4 or more cards in your hand, otherwise its sacrificed, and as we all know there are several ways to combat a card like that, discarding cards from hand before that players upkeep, destroying it are popular methods. several enchants work on things like counters from tapped creatures Pallation Accord or putting more counters or creature tokens in play Doubling Season. so basically i put that with a white blue theme, cause blue carrys a lot of the cards that can counter those nasty destroy target enchantment/artifact, and it also carrys cards to draw cards which will keep it in play, and white also carrys a few choice cards for protecting enchants and for those creatures that have destroy target enchantment when they come in play there is Azorius Guildmage to counter their ability. does this help final?

[ThunderHog]

@ Neo: What makes your card much different from Rupture?

[hamsandwich]

Act2: i absolutely love the fact that your token is a 1/3. i want to see the art :)

[final_press]

@Elistral; well yes, that does help... although I did kind of get how the card functions mechanically... I was just not quite understanding the whole flavour of it. The song/tale that protects you is somehow maintained by keeping cards in your hand, right? It's not a make-or-break point for the card (plenty of cards have good flavour that don't 100% match the mechanic), I was just curious as to whether or not there was some particular way in which you envisioned the flavour. The title and the flavour text go together quite clearly... but I just didn't quite see the link between the actual working of the mechanic and the flavour. I'm a huge Vorthos, so that kind of stuff interests me. With Palliation Accord for example, I picture some kind of NATO-esque bureaucracy happening behind the scenes.... "you tapped a creature, so legally your opponent must be given a shield, as per the rules and legislation laid out in the accord" (sad I know, but it keeps me going).
Nice card though. Better than most of those dumb SoK cards that cared about 7+ cards in hand.

Anyone got any thoughts on my submission this round?

[hamsandwich]

fp: your card is interesting. it is situational and obviously geared toward multi player. i feel like it is missing something, though, perhaps the life gain. then at least in duel it would provide a four point life swing for four mana. of course, this is fit the flavor and not, "make the most effiecient card". otherwise, though, i question black for the color choice, as black is not often associated with "freedom" and "independence". :o

edit: to clarify, black does represent "freedom" to a certain degree. the freedom from the bonds of life and death, freedom to be evil. what i mean is that this flavor seems(at least to me) to lend itself to the freedom and independence of a democratic society.(of course it is juts my take on the flavor and you will notice my card is white :P)

[Act2]

Fp: I originally had the name as 'trojan cow' but i wanted to try tweaking it a bit, i'm sure it'll wound up changed again and possibly may even wind back up as trojan cow, but thanks for your thoughts on it.

Ham: Thanks, I'd also like to see art for it, unfortunatly lazy > finding art (the only reason i don't do the mcc :P).


Anyone got any thoughts on my submission this round?
I hate to admit it, but it's probably my favorite of the round. I'd have to disagree with ham though, even if the flavor text leans white on its own, the way it was applied seems plenty black (in flavor and effect).
Black is all about furthering itself through whatever means nessacary, it tends not to care about specifics, which is why sometimes even good can come of evil, which i feel this card shows quite nicely. (And really, is there anything more 'good' then wiping the smirk off the face of that guy at the end of the table, with his 20 life :plotting:)

[Your Worst Nightmare]

Anyone got any thoughts on my submission this round?
Do you plan on giving your card a type? :P

[Ryuzaki]

I'll break down the flavor-text, in my perspective.

"Irreverence is the champion of liberty and its only sure defense." We break down key words. 'Irreverence' - Disrespect. 'Champion' - Fighter against, Defender, 'Liberty' - Freedom from control, 'Sure Defense' - The only one able to stop it. Focus on 'disrespect'.

Now think, when in magic is a player's liberty being attacked?

Answer: When someone plays spells that targets permanents you control. They're trying to restrict and control your freedom of being able to do things.

Disrespect is a deterrent, not an actual stopping action. Which would lead me to cards like, retromancer, lava runner, and Kaervek the merciless. These cards are all red, so naturally so will this card. I will make it heavy-red to focus on the liberty aspect, and the disrespect gives me the name and mana cost below. Lash-back 1RRR

Now if it's a 'trigger', it needs to be a permanent, the perfect one for this is an enchantment. Since this is a trigger-enchantment, it will have the word, "Whenever" on it, and that's the first word for a card that triggers.

Now the next parts easy, if anything of ours is targeted by anything, they're controlling our freedom. We don't want that, so we deter them with disrespect.
This would obviously be a rare, and then we add flavor-text. Giving us the following.

Lash-back 1RRR
Enchantment - Rare
Whenever you or a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls Lash-back deals X damage to that player where X is equal to the converted mana cost of the spell targeting a permanent you control.
"Irreverence is the champion of liberty and its only sure defense."

That's my view of that flavor-text. :D

[NeoMagicwarrior]

@ Neo: What makes your card much different from Rupture?

edited and fixed....it did seem a little too close...i changed it slightly just to keep the idea, but made it better in the process

[Your Worst Nightmare]

@Ryu, only two more. :P

[Insidious]

Just popping in here to say I totally LOVE your card Act2, I could totally see it being printed in a way.

[final_press]

I hate to admit it, but it's probably my favorite of the round.
Hooray! That'll teach you to leave me for dust in the FTF'08 :P Thanks for your feedback. Although I can understand how someone can take a white view of the card, Act2's summed up my take on it very nicely. It's not something like balance that evens out the playing field, and it's not something generous that redistibutes the life that's taken away. The card is meant to represent the uppity black mage getting all the other players together and leading a coupe d'Etat, of sorts, on the guy on top. I thought about having a life "leech" where the life is stolen rather then lost... but the only (good) way I could find to word it is to give all the life to the casting player, which although very black, seemed to be too far against the flavour text, as it's more about toppling the oppressive force, than one person stealing power.

It certainly is more of a white flavour text, but I was trying to put a twist on it. I'll admit it may seem a little stretched to some, but I'm pretty happy with it. It's still not set in stone, so may be reworked slightly.

[Ryuzaki]

Here is my perspective of the other two flavor-texts, so there YWN! :P

First we'll start with:

"A sword can keep you alive, but a song can make you immortal."

Keywords: Sword - Physical Object, alive - healthy, song - intangible, you - creature/you, immortal - live forever.

You can defend yourself with a sword, but a song can help you live forever. This seems more philosophical, but this IS magic, so the impossible becomes reality. We ignore the sword part, as it's a physical object. What is a song? It's either an artifact or an enchantment, and the only way it's an artifact is if it's a machine that plays music. We could go two ways here. Color-wise because music can be any color, we should try to stick to an artifact that plays music. Simple enough.

Now, we need to figure out what it does. I would think to myself, what is immortality? Living forever? You will never age, but creatures really don't age as they're magical, if they weren't, they'd all have fading counters, but how do we count years in turn-time?! It's truly maddening, so I must think we want them to not be able to be destroyed. Simply indestructible.

Which gives me this.

Tune of the Titans 4

Artifact - Equipment

When tune of the is equipped, tap equipped creature.
Equipped creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.

As long as Tune of the Titans is equipped to a creature, creatures you control are indestructible.

Equip: 5
"A sword can keep you alive, but a song can make you immortal."

Looking at it, it's not too bad but honestly I don't really like it that much. This was what I saw in the flavor-text though, someone holding the song in play can't untap because they're playing the song that makes your creatures immortal.

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Our Last flavor-text: "The goblins were used to using strange tactics, but even this one made them scratch their heads."

Keywords: Goblins - We focus on goblins, strange - unusual, tactics - battle/combat.

A card that's strange, even for goblins, which are known for sacrificing themselves to do things, or removing cards at random. It is a bit difficult to think up something stranger then that. I'll try to think up one and go from there...

Goblin Phalanx 3RRR

Tribal Enchantment - Goblin

Whenever a Goblin you control attacks or blocks it gets +X/+X until end of turn for each other attacking or blocking Goblin.
"The goblins were used to using strange tactics, but even this one made them scratch their heads."

Honestly I like it, even if I don't think it fits the flavor as much as I'd hope it would. It really is hard to be stranger then a goblin, which to me could be its own flavor-text. Therefore I went for a 300-esque approach.

Well that's my perspective of the three flavors, personally if I had to enter one of these I might enter the Phalanx, if not the Lash-back as I wasn't that happy with Tune of the Titans.

Good luck to everyone though. :D

[Maleficent]

Now, we need to figure out what it does. I would think to myself, what is immortality? Living forever? You will never age, but creatures really don't age as they're magical, if they weren't, they'd all have fading counters, but how do we count years in turn-time?! It's truly maddening, so I must think we want them to not be able to be destroyed. Simply indestructible

Dood, immortality in an abstract sense! :P

[Azrael Subucni]

The effect doesn't seem very appopriate, but I've gotta hand it to Guest1234 for his awesome interpretation of that flavor text. Some pretty good entries for that particular text, actually.

Also, can anyone think of a good creature type for a bard/enchanter? Shaman was the best I could come up with, given the colors.

[Elistral]

as a friend of mine pointed out the 2 cards i mentioned, being Yavimaya Enchantress=druid, and Elvish Piper= enchanter, sooo if i mislead anyone with my post i apologize ><

[Cashew]

Entries due soon lets get some more in =)

[Act2]

Fp: I originally had the name as 'trojan cow' but i wanted to try tweaking it a bit, i'm sure it'll wound up changed again and possibly may even wind back up as trojan cow, but thanks for your thoughts on it.



Or I'll forget about it till today... Oops... *Blames FFX-2* *Grumbles about 100%*

[Elistral]

yay, the judges are at work woo, wont be long ^_^

[Your Worst Nightmare]

Only one, two months left. Tops! XD

[Ryuzaki]

Maybe three if we're lucky! Oh I do hope we're lucky!

[Cashew]

I just got the final results now. I'll be posting them later at work, have to go there now and no net until at least 1.

-Update: Net Down Most of the NIght at Work! This will be done Wednesday probably as I have all day long plans tomorrow.

[Elistral]

alrighty then, lets see those results by the time i get out of the shower then from work :P

[final_press]

Must... have... results...

Need... closure... on... epic... failure... :eek:

[Luthervamplord]

FP; you're bleeding from your nose; you might want to get a tissue or something... On second thoughts maybe a cork would be better.

Anyway - Results would be appreciated

[Cashew]

Results..are postponed. Started going thru them and found only half from one person oops!

[CoglineErro]

My bad, been busy. Will finish now.

[Your Worst Nightmare]

Three.

Months.

Tops.

XD

[CoglineErro]

Sent, enjoy, disagree with, and most of all hate!

[Elistral]

gah, cogline.... no i'm not mad, just make sure you got them all judged next time :P

and nightmare that sig is just plain awesome.

[CoglineErro]

Next time? After this I won't win by default.

[Cashew]

Hah, yeah I wont' be able to compile the final til much later tonight. On the plus side I awarded my all time lowest grades this time so you have that to look forward to. Well I take that back, not my lowest grades ever, just the sheer amount of low grades is overwhelming =)

[Elistral]

i was only joking with you cogline, you did fine. and how late cashew?

[Your Worst Nightmare]

'Better not wait around' late.

[boiwithteeth]

Three.

Months.

Tops.

XD

'Better not wait around' late.
hahaha =]

I'm excited for the results.

[Cashew]

Why do you keep harassing me for results when they were posted yesterday?


Leads, yeah, sure. I'll just check with the boys down at the crime lab, they've got four more detectives working on the case. They got us working in shifts!