Pick the next tournament format

[lionden_56]

Alright guys, since the Standard tournament is going fairly well, and since there is no general consensus about what to play next, I figured I’d put it up to a poll. Vote once, and whatever has the most votes at the end will be what we play next. If there’s a constructed format you’re not familiar or comfortable with, I’ve got links to references for you. Also there are some notes for specific game types that need a little more explaining. Notes first, references second.

If you want something that isn't on the list, post in the thread. I could only make 10 options, so I couldn't make an exhaustive list of like 30 formats...

If there is a tie after voting, we’ll do a revote with only those tied as options.

Note #1 regarding cube sealed: The Cube we’d use is the “We make the Cube” from MTG Salvation. It’s a pretty solid cube, and is all spelled out for you to see ahead of time.

Note #2 regarding the Market Sealed: Because I think this format is best suited for 8 people max, if this is selected it will be run as pods. If possible they’ll be 8 person pods, but they’ll be set as close to each other as possible (IE if 14 people sign up it’ll be two pods of 7, not one of 8 and one of 6). Who gets put into which pod will be based on time zones. Once again, the cube will be We make the Cube from Sally. If Sha-Eve is selected it will be two packs of Shadowmoor and one of Eventide.

Note #3 regarding Bring your own Block: Ice Age block will be Ice-Alliances-Coldsnap

Note #4 regarding EDH: The legend rule will not apply to generals, meaning more than one player may play a specific general. This prevents the people who sign up late having to play bad generals and have almost guaranteed losses.



Format References:
Cube:
An intro to cubes (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=96682)
The Cube we'll use (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=107375)
Market Sealed
My article on Market sealed (http://magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0430.htm)

Sha-Eve-Rav-Gpt-Dis Sealed
My hobby store did a hybrid Ravnica/Guildpact/Dissenssion/Shadowmoor draft, and it was good times. With Eve in the format and all of the hybrid symbols in play again I think it would be an interesting sealed deck environment.

Legacy
Legal sets—Banned/Restricted lists (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=judge/resources/sfrlegacy)

Extended
Legal sets—Banned/Restricted lists (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=judge/resources/sfrextended)

Bring your own Block
BYOB is a variation on Block Constructed. You chose any block, Ice Age block through present, and build a block constructed deck from that block. Anything banned in that block’s block constructed list is also banned here (pretty much only Mirrodin has issues with that. No affinity for you). No core sets.

Make your own Standard
MYOS is similar to BYOB. You select two blocks and one core set (5th edition or later) and build your deck using only cards from those two blocks and core set. The blocks do not have to be contiguous to each other (you can have Ice age block and Lorwyn block together for example). More information here. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgevent/mi07/blog3#1)

Elder Dragon Highlander
My article on it (http://magicdeckvortex.com/mdvarticle0430.htm)
Great reference site (http://edh.truespace.ca/EDH_Forum/)

[FuDaWg45]

I'm a big fan of sealed, and the hybrid sealed sounds cool. We'd have to go over how exactly to do sealed in MWS again, and I'll have to work on updating EVE into my MWS, but that's my vote.

The randomness makes things far more entertaining than constructed.

[Swords to Factories]

Im not very familiar with MWS, I have it but Ive never played a game on it, but I love Legacy. So I'm in for that.

[deviant_audio]

I vote for Extended!

[lionden_56]

I will be distributing sealed pools so I know what everyone has and make sure no one cheats.

[Serra Redeemer]

I went Legacy. I woulda went Highlander, but, I hate the EDH version. I prefer just normal Highlander

[FrycHiKn]

I see there is no standard. LD_56, why is that?

[Tresserhorn]

EDH! I've always wanted to play one of these!

[Ryuzaki]

I see there is no standard. LD_56, why is that?

Because the standard tournament is currently underway, the next tournament is being decided on then. Maybe the chicken isn't as smart as we thought. :paranoid:

I would do Cube Sealed, as it's different, and legacy is stupid. :D

[FrycHiKn]

Because the standard tournament is currently underway, the next tournament is being decided on then. Maybe the chicken isn't as smart as we thought. :paranoid:

I would do Cube Sealed, as it's different, and legacy is stupid. :D

The chicken is very smart! You sir, offended me.

Even so, because we had a T2 tournament, it doesn't mean that we can't choose that... :P

[Aladdin]

Cube looks fun...
Sealed looks fun...
Why not Cube sealed ?

[Ryuzaki]

The chicken is very smart! You sir, offended me.

Even so, because we had a T2 tournament, it doesn't mean that we can't choose that... :P

Gomen na sai. :P (Sorry. :P)

It means exactly that sir. :P


Cube looks fun...
Sealed looks fun...
Why not Cube sealed ?

Simply Brilliant.

[Tekkactus]

I voted EDH.

[FrycHiKn]

Ryu (mumbles something)... -_-

I voted ext.

[Ryuzaki]

Ryu (mumbles something)... -_-

I voted ext.

Considering tournaments take awhile, doing the same tournament over and over would be boring, would it not? :P

[FrycHiKn]

Considering tournaments take awhile, doing the same tournament over and over would be boring, would it not? :P

Well Ryu, you are right... Huh? OMG!


Anyways, it could be interesting the cube sealed.


P.S.: "Liar game": anime, manga or live-action?

[Aladdin]

Cube looks fun...
Sealed looks fun...
Why not Cube sealed ?

Simply Brilliant.

Thanks :)
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:paranoid:
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:ahem:
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I believe you're biased though, seeing we picked up the same choice ;)


To stay on topic, any format would be fine by me, but for the more "special" ones, like Highlander or the Make your own series, it'd be nice if they were announced some time in advance...
They're not easy formats to build a deck and I believe most people don't have one ready to fire...

[Ryuzaki]

Well Ryu, you are right... Huh? OMG!


Anyways, it could be interesting the cube sealed.


P.S.: "Liar game": anime, manga or live-action?

I watched the liar-game live-action, it was amazing. Akiyama is pretty awesome. :D


Thanks :)
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:paranoid:
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:ahem:
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I believe you're biased though, seeing we picked up the same choice ;)


To stay on topic, any format would be fine by me, but for the more "special" ones, like Highlander or the Make your own series, it'd be nice if they were announced some time in advance...
They're not easy formats to build a deck and I believe most people don't have one ready to fire...

If by bias, you mean my intentions are for the optimal choice in regards to the best idea from my perspective; which would be the most enjoyable choice, while keeping it fresh & new. :D

Why do people want legacy though? If you want to play legacy, you can have matches all the time. Except to have Cube Sealed, that takes more people. It isn't played one on one as much, because it's sealed, and when you play someone you usually want to play a deck you made from scratch, not sealed. That's just my thought.

[Castle]

my vote is for Vintage (Type 1) but since it wasnt on the list i went with legacy witch is the next best thing

[Death_By_Beebles]

Legacy isn't my #1 choice (obviously, since I voted for EDH), but seeing as there is always a Legacy tournament every year at school, I know exactly what kind of deck I'm going to play. :E

[NeoMagicwarrior]

i like sealed....

i like cube...

i like trading

= market sealed FTW.



but seriously, cube events are usually much more fun than any other sealed / draft.

as for the overwhelming wave of "play legacy"....i say to you "eh". I'll play...it just wont be as fun >.>

[Niv-Mizzet_Rulez!]

I voted Rav-Gpt-Dis-Sha-Eve sealed because I think that would be fun.

[3nd3r]

ext since i have a few interesting decks for that.

[Tynion]

Just to reitterate what Aladin said, please don't have the research necessary tournaments without advance notice, as there are people who want to play, but don't have readily available time to do the research. We would need a week or more just to see what the format entails and what works, plus build and test our decks... *rolls eyes at Legacy* Talk about needing time to build a deck...

More thinking...

You know what would be clever... You should schedule out say.. two months of tournaments. Then, you could get some of the guys in the writers guild to do write ups on the upcoming formats. This not only helps minimize the need of guys like me doing hours of research, but it also advertises the league/tournament, plus just simply generates ideas.

In all honesty, this is destined to be doomed if we don't get the main site involved sooner than later, as we need to advertise in order to grow.

[Death_By_Beebles]

Just to reitterate what Aladin said, please don't have the research necessary tournaments without advance notice, as there are people who want to play, but don't have readily available time to do the research. We would need a week or more just to see what the format entails and what works, plus build and test our decks... *rolls eyes at Legacy* Talk about needing time to build a deck...

LOL, and you voted for Extended? Any of these formats, if you don't have a grasp on them, will cause you to have to do some research. That's part of playing the game though, so start your 'searching now!

[Aladdin]

Maybe Tynion's up to date, Extended wise :paranoid:
But, Legacy and Extended are really close formats (I believe), Legacy is simply a bit faster and there are good combo decks (which I doubt exist in Extended). Adapting from one to another isn't difficult, especially in the aggro-control field.


Otherwise,
I'll support the 2 months schedule. Discovering T2 was tough last time.
As for the Writers' Guild advertising the tournaments, that's a good idea... :o Although it would take somebody's time and probably not mine :o

[deviant_audio]

Just to reitterate what Aladin said, please don't have the research necessary tournaments without advance notice, as there are people who want to play, but don't have readily available time to do the research. We would need a week or more just to see what the format entails and what works, plus build and test our decks... *rolls eyes at Legacy* Talk about needing time to build a deck...

More thinking...

You know what would be clever... You should schedule out say.. two months of tournaments. Then, you could get some of the guys in the writers guild to do write ups on the upcoming formats. This not only helps minimize the need of guys like me doing hours of research, but it also advertises the league/tournament, plus just simply generates ideas.

In all honesty, this is destined to be doomed if we don't get the main site involved sooner than later, as we need to advertise in order to grow.


I completely agree...

[Tynion]

LOL, and you voted for Extended? Any of these formats, if you don't have a grasp on them, will cause you to have to do some research. That's part of playing the game though, so start your 'searching now!

You know me.. walking contradiction.. :P

The reason I voted for extended was that it had been talked about by LD and someone else publicly, so when this tourney started up and I could not modify my deck any further, I began working on two Extended builds, thus my research has already begun for that season, but not Legacy :cool:

[Your Worst Nightmare]

I'm just glad I could tie the poll. XD

[lionden_56]

Note that anything you build for extended would be legacy legal as well ;)

If you haven't already, see my idea in the comments thread about tournament formats.

[Tynion]

Yea LD, but would you take a standard deck to an extended tourney or a knife to a gun fight? Hell no!! LOL

What, I don't want to use Dual lands if I can..

[AlasterEisaroh]

What about an Un-Block Tourny just for fun?

[NeoMagicwarrior]

What about an Un-Block Tourny just for fun?

SOUNDS AMAZING!!!!! *votes*

[lionden_56]

Yea LD, but would you take a standard deck to an extended tourney or a knife to a gun fight? Hell no!! LOL

What, I don't want to use Dual lands if I can..

I've won with TEPS against a legacy deck before (granted, it wasn't tier 1 legacy, but still...it had Force of Will in it.

[Tynion]

*finds a sneaky deck from memory...* Please bring Legacy. I can see explosions all about in the near future.

That is if I can ever get a damn solid mana draw in more than one game in a row... Someone Legacy.. hell, can I change my vote from Extended to Legacy?

[Ryuzaki]

Anyone voting legacy is not invited to travel with me to try out new things. :P

[Castle]

I've won with TEPS against a legacy deck before (granted, it wasn't tier 1 legacy, but still...it had Force of Will in it.

FoW dosn't matter if your running dredge :paranoid:


and just a thought but if it goes EXT would we play after or before the rotation? depending on that i might switch my vote (if i can XD)

[lionden_56]

FoW dosn't matter if your running dredge :paranoid:


and just a thought but if it goes EXT would we play after or before the rotation? depending on that i might switch my vote (if i can XD)

I actually forgot all about that. I'm assuming most people would want to do it pre-rotation because my guess is that's what most people have decks built for.

[NeoMagicwarrior]

pre-rotation is probably better just to create a happy medium between extended players and legacy players. Once the rotation hits...a good chunk of extended leaves and limits the card pool dramatically. Leaving the tour for pre-rotation allows for some extra cards and stuff that will be used as "appeasement" if we do wind up with extended.

My personal feelings on dual tours is as follows. 1 constructed and 1 limited at a time unless your getting some help lion. The tour is going smoothly...just a little slow, and if your running too many...it might increase the time and drive players away.

[Castle]

I actually forgot all about that. I'm assuming most people would want to do it pre-rotation because my guess is that's what most people have decks built for.

since its pre-rotation and i voted for legacy could i switch my vote to extended?

originally i thought it was after rotation :P honored

[lionden_56]

Well, you want to now vote for Extended and Tynion wants to vote for Legacy, so they'll cancel out.

[Swords to Factories]

I've won with TEPS against a legacy deck before (granted, it wasn't tier 1 legacy, but still...it had Force of Will in it.

I played my tournament Legacy against some competetive (probably not tier 1, but close) Vintage decks and won about half the time. That being said at the side event at GP Indy I went 2-3. 2 Legitimate losses and 1 due to misplaying after time, I would've won the next turn but I was stupid and forgot why I was going to do what I was going to do so I did something else instead.

[Tynion]

Define pre-rotation please... are you saying that we are again not including Eventide? What blocks are you looking at?

[FuDaWg45]

I already voted for the hybrid sealed, but for what it's worth I'd rather do Legacy than Extended. I have several legacy decks, but absolutely zero extended decks. It'd be a lot more work in the research dept. for me.

But whatever, I'll play whatever wins the vote.

[Castle]

i dont think votes are going to go much farther so y not post a new poll between legacy and extended since its tied right now

[lionden_56]

Eventide will be legal

Extended would be all core sets 7th edition and later, and all non-un expansions Invasion and onward.

[Serra Redeemer]

i dont think votes are going to go much farther so y not post a new poll between legacy and extended since its tied right now

I vote for this Idea. :E

If we Do Extended, I much prefer New Rotation as, I don't have but One Extended Built and I don't want to Mess with Having to Build a Tourney one, and than Have to Build a New Rotation one. But If I have to I will build anything Voted on as far as Legacy and Extended is concerned.

[Tynion]

I vote for this Idea. :E

If we Do Extended, I much prefer New Rotation as, I don't have but One Extended Built and I don't want to Mess with Having to Build a Tourney one, and than Have to Build a New Rotation one. But If I have to I will build anything Voted on as far as Legacy and Extended is concerned.

Can we get a poll on whether we should have a Legacy or Extended poll or not? :D

[Ryuzaki]

Only after a Poll of who should make the poll to decide if we should have an extended or legacy tournament is voted for.

[Tresserhorn]

Extended is now up 7-6 so no poll is needed.

[Serra Redeemer]

Extended and Legacy are running away with it. But it is a bit close. I think we should still poll Extended and Legacy on their own. That way those who Voted for other things can Vote on the Popular two.

[NeoMagicwarrior]

sounds fair...but 1 question still remains for me: why legacy instead of vintage?

[Aladdin]

sounds fair...but 1 question still remains for me: why legacy instead of vintage?

I guess there's no particular reason other than Lionden's choice... Legacy also happens to be more popular (I believe)...

I don't mind Vintage being polled, but it is nowhere the same game as Legacy, Extended or any other format.
Deckbuilding in Vintage is for Vintage experts only. And, even aside from that, playing well a Vintage deck is an impressive challenge. There's just so much power, so much draw, so many tutors...
Granted it's a skill test but...
... I'd rather have a 1 on 1 Cube sealed with Ryusaki :P


EDIT: Just noticed you voted Cube Market Sealed ^^

[Serra Redeemer]

It takes more talent to make a Tier Vintage Deck. And with the Casualness of this Forum, It is less likely that anyone has the Skills required to pull off this feat. Before I get Blasted, This Is just a Generalization. If i'm wrong I am wrong. Just stating what I've seen

[NeoMagicwarrior]

lolz...that sucks...i cant play ichorid

[Tynion]

crap it is tied again, how about that Poll ? :D