Whispersilk Cloak. Red Dawn Bringer. Board Clearance v Prot.

[stonedwolf]

I put a Whispersilk Cloak on a creature. The creature is equipped, and cannot be targeted. Can the Cloak be targeted, e.g., can it be Smashed.

If I have black creature protected with Strength of Lunacy, what white removals might work on it, e.g. Wrath of God.

If I take control of an equipped creature with a Bringer of a Red Dawn and sacrifice it to Miren the Moaning Well, I assume the equipment falls off and returns, in play but unattached, to the owner?

If I take control of an equipped creature with a Bringer of the Red Dawn, can the opponent perform equipment instants (e.g. if they have the creatures out that permit Equips as Instants, or the various Equipments with Instant equips).

cheers,

[Aneximines]

I put a Whispersilk Cloak on a creature. The creature is equipped, and cannot be targeted. Can the Cloak be targeted, e.g., can it be [card:e52840ffc4]Smash[/card:e52840ffc4]ed.

Yes, the Cloak can be targeted, unless something ([card:e52840ffc4]Hanna's Custody[/card:e52840ffc4], [card:e52840ffc4]Fountain Watch[/card:e52840ffc4], [card:e52840ffc4]Privileged Position[/card:e52840ffc4], etc.) makes it untargetable.


If I have black creature protected with Strength of Lunacy, what white removals might work on it, e.g. Wrath of God.

Anything that doesn't target, directly damage, or enchant the creature, like [card:e52840ffc4]Wrath of God[/card:e52840ffc4], [card:e52840ffc4]Wing Shards[/card:e52840ffc4], [card:e52840ffc4]Balance[/card:e52840ffc4], [card:e52840ffc4]Wave of Reckoning[/card:e52840ffc4], etc. (but not [card:e52840ffc4]Swords to Plowshares[/card:e52840ffc4], [card:e52840ffc4]Chastise[/card:e52840ffc4], [card:e52840ffc4]Rain of Blades[/card:e52840ffc4], etc.).


If I take control of an equipped creature with a Bringer of a Red Dawn and sacrifice it to Miren the Moaning Well, I assume the equipment falls off and returns, in play but unattached, to the owner?

Yes, though in one sense it never left the owner; they kept controlling the equipment even though it was suddenly on a creature you controlled (if they had a [card:e52840ffc4]Leonin Shikari[/card:e52840ffc4], for example, they could have moved the equipment to one of their creatures as soon as you stole the creature).


If I take control of an equipped creature with a Bringer of the Red Dawn, can the opponent perform equipment instants (e.g. if they have the creatures out that permit Equips as Instants, or the various Equipments with Instant equips).

Yes. You didn't get control of the equipment; it's still theirs, so they can play its abilities.

[Niv-Mizzet]

a small clarification. since equipment can only be attached to "creatures you control" once the creature leaves your control, either by dieing, bounceing or an opponent controling it the equipment immediatly drops off

[Luthervamplord]

Not true, the target of the spell was legal at the point the equipment was equipped to the creature, so it remains attached to the creature. BUT control remains the same, so you can simply pay to unequip it from that creature, which is why its good to run [card:7bdd41c89d]Grafted Wargear[/card:7bdd41c89d] or [card:7bdd41c89d]Disarm[/card:7bdd41c89d] in an equipment heavy deck. Infact, I've seen a pretty good deck that makes use of [card:7bdd41c89d]Magnetic Theft[/card:7bdd41c89d], [card:7bdd41c89d]Grafted Wargear[/card:7bdd41c89d] & [card:7bdd41c89d]Disarm[/card:7bdd41c89d] to remove troublesome creatures like [card:7bdd41c89d]Darksteel Colossus[/card:7bdd41c89d] and [card:7bdd41c89d]Eight-and-a-Half-Tails[/card:7bdd41c89d].

[Aneximines]

a small clarification. since equipment can only be attached to "creatures you control" once the creature leaves your control, either by dieing, bounceing or an opponent controling it the equipment immediatly drops off

Not quite.

The "equip" ability can only target a creature you control, but that only targets when it is played.

Once an equipment is attached to a creature, though, it won't become unattached until
- it becomes attached to a different creature
- it becomes a creature
- the permanent it's attached to leaves play
- the permanent it's attached to stops being a creature
- the permenent it's attached to gains protection from it
- the permanent it's attached to comes to violate some attachment restriction on the equipment itself (for example, I hit your [card:6c77f0b81b]O-Naginata[/card:6c77f0b81b]-wielder with a couple of [card:6c77f0b81b]Shrink[/card:6c77f0b81b]s)
- some in-game effect dedatches it ([card:6c77f0b81b]Disarm[/card:6c77f0b81b], [card:6c77f0b81b]Carry Away[/card:6c77f0b81b], etc.)

So when your Bringer steals the equipped creature, the creature is still equipped. If your opponent has no instant-speed way of unattaching the equipment, it'll stay on your new creature, probably to your benefit.

If it gives an ability to the creature (if it says 'equipped creature has "[ability]",' like [card:6c77f0b81b]Loxodon Warhammer[/card:6c77f0b81b] and [card:6c77f0b81b]Heartseeker[/card:6c77f0b81b]), you control that ability (you gain the life from the Warhammer-granted ability; you choose whether and when to play the Heartseeker-granted ability). If the equipment itself has an ability, like "equip" or [card:6c77f0b81b]Sunforger[/card:6c77f0b81b]'s Instant-fetching ability, your opponent controls that ability.


Infact, I've seen a pretty good deck that makes use of [card:6c77f0b81b]Magnetic Theft[/card:6c77f0b81b], [card:6c77f0b81b]Grafted Wargear[/card:6c77f0b81b] & [card:6c77f0b81b]Disarm[/card:6c77f0b81b] to remove troublesome creatures like [card:6c77f0b81b]Darksteel Colossus[/card:6c77f0b81b] and [card:6c77f0b81b]Eight-and-a-Half-Tails[/card:6c77f0b81b].

Note that '-Tails can ward himself against the Theft for three mana (the Theft targets), and so avoid entanglement with the Wargear.