Friend Mairsil
03-11-2008, 06:17 PM
as the title states, this discussion is to prove which is better and why. to get you started here is the beginning of the debate between me TH and grump.
you are sadly mistaken my friend, see through the power of magic, we can summon mirror images of an original, and then improve upon them as we see fit. machines are good, but magic is far more flexable. so what was it you wanted to speak about?
Bah... Sadistic and infernal copies of perfect machines make useless creations. They make for an unpredictable killing machine that'll just as quickly tear YOU to shreds as it would your enemy.
On top of that, I had nothing in particular I wished to speak about. I was just making friendly conversation. And, trust me, I carry no diabolic schemes and incurable plagues with me... this time.
well then how about we have a chat about phyrexian perfection vs magical mastery. now im sure you can guess which one i choose
magic has a funny issue with it though. you see if i were to take to mages next to each other and ask them both to make a chair at the same time one will likely make a wooden chair that has four legs and a back to it with no arms whilst the other would make a four legged bone chair with arms too.
that said your creation would be a mishap and if forgotten it would simply disappear read "the eternal ice" -jeff grub it'll help you with your.. assumption.
Works for me - but first, we should describe how that they're better than the original. A Phyrexian Rager for example, was once a human. It was a human and has been dramatically enhanced by it's mechanic parts. It's bigger, stronger, and doesn't hesitate to respond to command. In Yawgmoth, there is no need for free will. I would use my Battleflies as an example here as they did technically start as mosquitoes, but so much of their organic compounds were removed that there are actually none left. They're now composed of 100% machinery. Though the original body structure is almost identical, their mechanical parts make them stronger and more intelligent in the form of responding to commands.
how funny, im sure you read my name...right? so im sure you know that i was the one that told jodah that. of course i said it under the mask of lim-dul, but eh, still the same now if i may, i can correct what you said:
if you put two mages together and have them both summon a chair, both will summon a chair to the exact way they believe a chair to truly be. which in other words means, they will summon there picture of a chair. that is why jodah summoned a wood chair, while i summoned a throne made of bones
magic is as you make it. in almost the same way you make a phyrexian, it can be said that they are the stages of a magician/mage/spellshaper/whatever. first you need to remove the blocks in their mind, your obidence* to yawgmoth. second they need to be taught the correct path, again wisdom through yawgmoth. thrid they must be made stronger body/mind wise, your powerful augmentations*. and here is where we differ. as a mage i can either be my own boss or under contract to whoever would pay, while you on the other hand, must now obey and follow orders...i think i know why they choose that name now...damn took that long....i need to stop ...but anyways, there you go
@TH - a mage is better than a human, becuase he's a human above humans. also he's better than a phyrexian(hopefully this doesnt come out wrong) because he can adapt far faster, becuase he learns what he need to, and doesnt need a grant from on high to give him stronger body parts...i think i said that right.
That is an interesting way to look at it and I completely see your point, but it's when the Phyrexian GETS those parts is when he actually BECOMES a Phyrexian. Also, when the said mage dies, that's usually it. When a Phyrexian dies, depending on the condition that his body is in, he can either be recycled and his parts can be used elsewhere or sometimes he can even be revived. With this, a Phyrexian never truly dies.
sorry i could not quote the book exactly to the part for it was not in hand but i do know that shortly after that the chair disappeared where a machine would not, also to point out is your computer magic made? hmmm? lol
irst ones true, no denying that. though on the mages side he earns through hardwork which makes his gifts far more special and if good enough, adaptable. now the second statement is sort of right, but again a mage can live for forever if he is good enough. i.e. barren, i would say jodah, but he was dipped in a pool of something...anyways. yes and a mages note/books that he has written through out his life are usually kept in a libary for others to learn. which immortalizes him in word. so a mage never dies
We combine life and artifice into perfection. There are also some Phyrexian mages (in a sense, at least), though I imagine they'd take a lot more time to breed and so are usually not worth it, given Phyrexia's limited resources. And it's just so much easier to use spinal implants. Resistance is futile.
i believe this is a good place to start, so lets begin :alright:
you are sadly mistaken my friend, see through the power of magic, we can summon mirror images of an original, and then improve upon them as we see fit. machines are good, but magic is far more flexable. so what was it you wanted to speak about?
Bah... Sadistic and infernal copies of perfect machines make useless creations. They make for an unpredictable killing machine that'll just as quickly tear YOU to shreds as it would your enemy.
On top of that, I had nothing in particular I wished to speak about. I was just making friendly conversation. And, trust me, I carry no diabolic schemes and incurable plagues with me... this time.
well then how about we have a chat about phyrexian perfection vs magical mastery. now im sure you can guess which one i choose
magic has a funny issue with it though. you see if i were to take to mages next to each other and ask them both to make a chair at the same time one will likely make a wooden chair that has four legs and a back to it with no arms whilst the other would make a four legged bone chair with arms too.
that said your creation would be a mishap and if forgotten it would simply disappear read "the eternal ice" -jeff grub it'll help you with your.. assumption.
Works for me - but first, we should describe how that they're better than the original. A Phyrexian Rager for example, was once a human. It was a human and has been dramatically enhanced by it's mechanic parts. It's bigger, stronger, and doesn't hesitate to respond to command. In Yawgmoth, there is no need for free will. I would use my Battleflies as an example here as they did technically start as mosquitoes, but so much of their organic compounds were removed that there are actually none left. They're now composed of 100% machinery. Though the original body structure is almost identical, their mechanical parts make them stronger and more intelligent in the form of responding to commands.
how funny, im sure you read my name...right? so im sure you know that i was the one that told jodah that. of course i said it under the mask of lim-dul, but eh, still the same now if i may, i can correct what you said:
if you put two mages together and have them both summon a chair, both will summon a chair to the exact way they believe a chair to truly be. which in other words means, they will summon there picture of a chair. that is why jodah summoned a wood chair, while i summoned a throne made of bones
magic is as you make it. in almost the same way you make a phyrexian, it can be said that they are the stages of a magician/mage/spellshaper/whatever. first you need to remove the blocks in their mind, your obidence* to yawgmoth. second they need to be taught the correct path, again wisdom through yawgmoth. thrid they must be made stronger body/mind wise, your powerful augmentations*. and here is where we differ. as a mage i can either be my own boss or under contract to whoever would pay, while you on the other hand, must now obey and follow orders...i think i know why they choose that name now...damn took that long....i need to stop ...but anyways, there you go
@TH - a mage is better than a human, becuase he's a human above humans. also he's better than a phyrexian(hopefully this doesnt come out wrong) because he can adapt far faster, becuase he learns what he need to, and doesnt need a grant from on high to give him stronger body parts...i think i said that right.
That is an interesting way to look at it and I completely see your point, but it's when the Phyrexian GETS those parts is when he actually BECOMES a Phyrexian. Also, when the said mage dies, that's usually it. When a Phyrexian dies, depending on the condition that his body is in, he can either be recycled and his parts can be used elsewhere or sometimes he can even be revived. With this, a Phyrexian never truly dies.
sorry i could not quote the book exactly to the part for it was not in hand but i do know that shortly after that the chair disappeared where a machine would not, also to point out is your computer magic made? hmmm? lol
irst ones true, no denying that. though on the mages side he earns through hardwork which makes his gifts far more special and if good enough, adaptable. now the second statement is sort of right, but again a mage can live for forever if he is good enough. i.e. barren, i would say jodah, but he was dipped in a pool of something...anyways. yes and a mages note/books that he has written through out his life are usually kept in a libary for others to learn. which immortalizes him in word. so a mage never dies
We combine life and artifice into perfection. There are also some Phyrexian mages (in a sense, at least), though I imagine they'd take a lot more time to breed and so are usually not worth it, given Phyrexia's limited resources. And it's just so much easier to use spinal implants. Resistance is futile.
i believe this is a good place to start, so lets begin :alright: