[Lorehold] - A Shared Experience

[Luthervamplord]

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The Lorehold
This Clan is based upon one, resounding principle - We gather from the four corners of the Forum, to trade our knowledge and tales.

We're a small clan, comprising of some of the brightest minds of the forum - some are long standing members of the forums and others are Young Bloods. This might mean that we have lulls and highs but it also means we are quick to adapt and adopt new concepts and ideas.

We don't preach to you from the hymn sheet of evolution, we don't seek to enslave and over-power; we don't dazzle you with bright lights and we don't seek to convert you to our cause - We just want to hear your stories.

Everyone has a story and every story has hidden value - The words of a new player weigh as much as those of one who has played a lifetime.

Consider us, when you're looking for a clan to call your own but don't choose in haste - We do not claim to be the right clan for everyone; we encourage you to explore the values of all the clans of MDV.

NOTE: Spamming of any nature by any person or persons, clan affiliated or otherwise will not be tolerated by the Lorehold or the Moderators and will be dealt with swiftly and severely. Please keep posts in this thread to matters related to joining the Lorehold or current clan activities - Nothing more.

Current Clan Projects
> Lorehold Core (Current)
> MWS Tournament (Near Future)
> Deck Clinic (Presently Down for Repairs/Retraining)


Current Clan Members
> Michael_Zeora (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=14) (Clan Leader)
> Dazboot (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=586)
> Shadow_Walker (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=779)
> Seph (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=321)
> Friend_Mairsil (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=369)
> Gamerpunk666 (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1075)
> Omegaprime9774 (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=211)
> Skeith (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1094)
> Devious_Little_Fox (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=641)
> EpilecticCricket (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=989)
> Unggoy (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=587)
> Lord_Sage_Of_Ronevia (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=128)
> 3nd3r (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1332)
> Zaknifa (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1236)
> Tyler Durden (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1627)
> Grim (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=594)
> Luthervamplord (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=95)
> Final_Press (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1397)


Friends of the Clan
dracofinalform (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1017)
Ryuzaki (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=47)
Burnbait (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=1250)
AE (http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/member.php?u=11)

[dracofinalform]

nice new thread, i would request to be a friend of your clan. and i am here (representing the forum [wizards]) to wish this thread better luck than the last one.

i do like your message though ( equality is some thing most dont value as i do)

[Ryuzaki]

You still have great taste in fonts I see, Old English is the best.

Your Clan thread looks good, and well written.

If you need help with anything, or want to chat, give me a call anytime.

[Michael_Zeora]

I am Leader of the Lorehold and I approve this message

[DazBoot]

Do we have an updated clan roster?

[Friend Mairsil]

so how is everyone in the hold doing?

[DazBoot]

Good... busy... tis' the time of year in which Jazz festivals start up, so I just got back from the first one at Berklee. Anyone else doing anything exciting?

[Seph]

Try to keep this as more focused on recruiting as we can, fellas. Read first post's note about spamming in here.

~Join the Lorehold~

[Syphon]

I'm keeping my eye on you, people.Don't mess up my legacy.

[DazBoot]

My apologies, I didn't mean to spam, I was just seeing if there was any activity moving in the clan, seeing as I am plenty tied up with life at the moment. However, it is ending, so what's the plans? It seems like this has been rather tired lately, so is there anything we can do to kick start something? I realize people have a lot of stuff on their plate, but is there anything small we could try?

[Seph]

No need to apologize, Daz. Well we have some projects and fun activities going on our clan, so it's always worth checking them out. XD More will come with time...we have some surprises boiling for the future. The horizon is vast and our ideas grow under a shiny prospect for the future.


Want to be a part of this future? Join the Lorehold and share your ideas as well, so that we can all grow with each other's views for the days that will come :D

[Michael_Zeora]

@Seph and Dazboot: Ignore the Troll, if you feed him, he wins.

[Seph]

I still think the Troll shouldn't be here in the first place, but oh well.

[gamerpunk666]

yay, a new thread for the [lorehold] (probably wont be on much for a little while, about 2x a week.)

[Friend Mairsil]

oh come on seph, we can spam a wee bit. i mean...we need to show the rest of the forum how we act and how it could be if they joined so...YAY 4 :spam:

anywas join the lorehold or just PM us and have a chat on us ;)

[Seph]

oh come on seph, we can spam a wee bit. i mean...we need to show the rest of the forum how we act and how it could be if they joined so...YAY 4 :spam:

And you believe showing other members spamming is the way for happiness is the best way of promoting our clan? :hmm:

I don't think so...Let's just keep the spam level the lowest possible around here this time. I don't like the prospect of clan-interested MDV members trying to find what our clan's initiatives and projects are, while frustrated due to having to go through a pile of pages filled with spam to get them. That's not what our clan is here for, FM. :p This thread is for recruitment, to promote our clan's future ideas or for other mdv members (and some potential future LH members) to ask stuff about us. ;)


That said, if you, mdv member, want to gather with us, and share your thoughts about our projects or make new ones, trade ideas, learning a bit as well in the process and overall having a great time, then come hang around with us at the Lorehold. We don't just share the knowledge, we also learn with you, making our knowledge bigger as well. :D


-EDIT-
And to give you peeps a little taste of what's to come in our recruitment posters factory here's a snack:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/S1N_E4T3R/28LHlater.png

Yeah. We're even Zombie-plagues proof.

[Luthervamplord]

@ FM - I had to make certain promises and call in some favors to get us this thread; please leave this thread spam free so I can keep my word okay.

Indeed; if you have any questions about the clan and what we stand for; what we do for fun and how we roll - Just PM one of our members or leave a comment here and we'll answer straight away.

[Syphon]

Shared Fate?

[Friend Mairsil]

And you believe showing other members spamming is the way for happiness is the best way of promoting our clan?
yes i do, just for the simple fact that it shows the other members/ would-be members our personalitys* which as you may have seen draws in members. hell look at the order, there personalitys are what draw in members, there active-ness, hell even there smugness. but what do we do...sure we use to have alot of members, but now its seems like there all going away, because (i think) the fun has left. you know that care free attitiude that was here and helped build the clan into what it is today. but yeah im sure that not what pulls in people. no its your posters...right? all im saying is that you need to lighten up. its not like through our talking we not going to promote the clan.

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[Seph]

I respect your opinion FM, but I still believe Spam is not the way to benefit us at all. Personalities? Sure, we do show them, but that's why the rest of the mdv forum exists and it's what we post there (posts with a purpose, btw) that take people to see what we think and how we act. The variety of threads (and for the fun factor you mentioned you even have the humor and games section) would be more appropriate for that broadcast of personality. A guy in MDV doesn't immediatly come to this Clans section and starts searching for a place to join. He wanders MDV first and sees what's happening. And it's not by reading messages like "<insert spam or non-profiting message here>" in here, that he's going to raise his interest on our clan at all. Think:

Why say stuff like "how's the clanfolk doing nowadays?" right here, while you have a thread for stuff like that within the clan itself? What would a new member gain by reading that here?
Look at Syphon's post above your last, FM (and I can't believe I'm using his posts as a helpful metaphor). Would that interest you in our clan if you weren't a clanmember? a card link? (sure this is a bit abstract but it will do for the metaphor i'm trying to transmit.)

Just by being a bit more serious and using this thread in better, more profitable ways, doesn't mean the fun is all gone...we still transmit that, either with mine or mz's, or even luth's posters, or even with posts you and all members can make with our future/current projects, or a simple text promoting our clan. By asking how other clans are in their own threads (interaction within clans is always a friendly thing to do, we're different clans but we are all people with similar tastes and opinions), by answering doubts an interested member may have about us or our clan...We're still a cheerful and jolly clan, never doubt that for one second at all. We just should relax more on the appropriate places... XD

And as Luth said he did asked for some favors for us to have another thread (and this is the 3rd one we had to get, due to all that spam we had to kill, among other issues), and I fully agree we sure need to control ourselves (the more we can the better, lol) in here and keep the spam someplace else. ;)

[Luthervamplord]

But FM does have one good point in there; and I might have an idea on that front.

For now on-lookers, should you have any questions or should you like to know who we are before you decide to hang out at our place - Just contact us. Asides from me, nobody in this clan bites and if I do it then it means I like you - Honestly.

We've got some interesting characters in here for sure but we're not so full of smugness that we won't talk to you - Far from it! We actually want to talk to you - One of the unifying factor's of our clan is that we're all pretty much into social interactions; that why we like to trade stories and knowledge because we get to talk to some really cool people about something that gets them juiced; which in turn gets us juiced.

[Syphon]

I fall under the common denominator cool people. Why not have an interview with me? I am, after all, the progenitor.

[Seph]

Sorry Syphon...Interviews should fall under the "clanmembers" category as well. I believe you're not there anymore...;) XDXD

~ Join Lorehold - Come Share a Thought ~

[Syphon]

Pfrt. I am a member. Just not officially. You can't get rid of the patriarch.

[Seph]

*whispers* I think we already did. *whispers* XDXDXD

[Michael_Zeora]

Syphon, I'm only going to ask you nicely once more. Please stop trolling this thread.

~Join Lorehold - and crush your enemies with your massive intellect. ~

oh wait... spin it right...

~ Join Lorehold - and destroy... no...

~Join Lorehold - and join in our collective hive mind~

. . . I'm no good at this. . .

~Join Lorehold~

[ThunderHog]

TH from the [Order] here!

How's everyone doin'? Just thought I'd drop by for a friendly chat. :D

Don't mind the Battleflies swarming around me - they're just for show mostly but they so offer some protection.

[Michael_Zeora]

we have a cure for that you know... Boomerang, you might of heard of it.

on any note I'm doing well, a bit sore from training, but well none the less.

[ThunderHog]

Oh, no no... The Battleflies are there because I want them there. They're currently at my command and thus I wish them to stay. I promise they won't cause any mischief while I'm here.

It's good to know that you're doing ok MZ, but what about everyone else?

[Syphon]

How am I trolling this thread when I am suggestion you interview me? :) I am the founder, so I think I'd know quite a bit about this clan.

[Michael_Zeora]

I'm keeping my eye on you, people.Don't mess up my legacy.

One, the above comment is rude and demming, at least to myself. Thus a form of Trolling, not flaming per say, but Trolling.


Pfrt. I am a member. Just not officially. You can't get rid of the patriarch.

You, are not a member, you're a wannabe. Patriarch, yes, I'll give that, but you know what we do with our elderly in America, OLD FOLKS HOME. ;)

oh and once again, another Trolling quote.


I fall under the common denominator cool people. Why not have an interview with me? I am, after all, the progenitor.

you want an interview, alright, I'll go with that, I'll give that much. Toss me a PM.

[Friend Mairsil]

@TH - nice flies, catch them yourself? so what would you like to chat about, cause im open to chat about anything.

@syhpon - sure ill interview you. first question: why do you want one of us to interview you? second question: given the way that rosewater has been thinking of late, what do you believe we should suspect from the new blocks after lorwyn?

@SEPH - i truthfully understand what your saying, its just we keep to ourselves too mch. sure we troll the forums and show our faces, but no one really know how we act when were at play, or when were being serious as a clan. also i kind of took the asking the clan how there doing from the F[W]. seems to be working for the founder so i thought id give it a shot. but really if we just talked about whats going on within the clan. problems, things were working on, so that maybe someone out here would give there two cents or may want to join cause its something that interests them. cause im mean, sure we tell people what were doing and say its fun and blahblah blah, or we could give them a taste so they become addicted and want more :D...but anyways, yeah.

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[Syphon]

I wanted to be interviewed so that those that come after this current generation do not forget about me. Even if they are taught from rebirth to dislike me, they will know me.

[gamerpunk666]

is it ok if i keep a phyrexian rager as a [lorehold] pet? if not that how about a nice big old hunted horror?


the [lorehold] needs some more pets for the advertising.

[Syphon]

Rosewater needs to go away. I do not wish any more happy happy sets. If the most evil thing in the world is a FAERIE followed by a TREE, then I cry at night.

[Friend Mairsil]

I wanted to be interviewed so that those that come after this current generation do not forget about me. Even if they are taught from rebirth to dislike me, they will know me.
first let me tell you, there are some feeling about you with some members, but there is also respect. as such we do not teach dislike of you, we teach acceptance. so on that note, why not be remembered for what it was you taught. it worked for jesus, hitler, and finkel (to a degree). so please, why was it that the clan was made? for what reasons, and under what mentality*?


Rosewater needs to go away. I do not wish any more happy happy sets. If the most evil thing in the world is a FAERIE followed by a TREE, then I cry at night.
sadly rosewater wont be going anywhere, seeing as he's in charge. so lets take a different route, what should he do in the next blocks in your opinion, to keep older players happy?

[ThunderHog]

@TH - nice flies, catch them yourself? so what would you like to chat about, cause im open to chat about anything.

Nope, when a Phyrexian leaves Phyrexia, they're allowed to take a 'bodyguard' so to speak with them. I chose the Battleflies because their convenient and extremely simple-minded. They never ask questions and their easier to hide. I could have brought a Colossus or an Ironfoot, but those are more used when it comes to war. Consider the flies as something that would accompany as ambassador or something similar.


is it ok if i keep a phyrexian rager as a [lorehold] pet? if not that how about a nice big old hunted horror?

No, you may not have a Rager. I have no idea of how you would go about getting on as the only way to create one is through a vat priest. As for the Horror, that's not for me to decide as they aren't Phyrexian creations.

[Friend Mairsil]

I have no idea of how you would go about getting on as the only way to create one is through a vat priest.
you are sadly mistaken my friend, see through the power of magic, we can summon mirror images of an original, and then improve upon them as we see fit. machines are good, but magic is far more flexable. so what was it you wanted to speak about?

[Syphon]

sadly rosewater wont be going anywhere, seeing as he's in charge. so lets take a different route, what should he do in the next blocks in your opinion, to keep older players happy?

Explore more of the background of Dominiaria, and in particular the places that we haven't seen in ages. Sarpadia, for instance. n.n

[ThunderHog]

you are sadly mistaken my friend, see through the power of magic, we can summon mirror images of an original, and then improve upon them as we see fit. machines are good, but magic is far more flexable. so what was it you wanted to speak about?

Bah... Sadistic and infernal copies of perfect machines make useless creations. They make for an unpredictable killing machine that'll just as quickly tear YOU to shreds as it would your enemy.

On top of that, I had nothing in particular I wished to speak about. I was just making friendly conversation. And, trust me, I carry no diabolic schemes and incurable plagues with me... this time. XD

*sicks the Battleflies on Syphon* Go for the eyes my pets!

[Syphon]

*incinerates the flies with a snap of the fingers* Please, don't bother me with those tiny things. You might be part of the Lorehold with access to limitless knowledge, but I am the one who started it. Years from now, I will be remembered. Small phyrexian battleflies will do nothing but burn well. :D

[3nd3r]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaah since i joined i think i'll post here now. and here it is.

really though what's going on as a clan??? i figured the recruitment drive but seriously if you only post ads in here how many people will actually read them??? oh and what are we doing as a clan right now???


Join the [Lorehold].................................................. ............or else!!!:D

see i do my part.:E

[ThunderHog]

...You might be part of the Lorehold with access to limitless knowledge...

Apparently none of that knowledge stayed with you seeing that I'm NOT a member of the Lorehold, dork.

*more flies emerge from random areas of his metallic body*

I'm an [Order] member, and always will be...

[AlasterEisaroh]

Hi all, just stopping by on a goodwill mission for the Forum [Wizards]. Well how is the [Lorehold] doing lately?

[Friend Mairsil]

@syphon - please only speak to lorehold members while here. if you want to attack a phyrexian then please do it in there clan hall. now on to your interview. could you please help me figure out what knowledge you contributed*?

@TH - well then how about we have a chat about phyrexian perfection vs magical mastery. now im sure you can guess which one i choose :D

@ender- right now were just on a recruitment drive. after though we will be trying to fix our league and most likey a tournament with the new core set :D

@AE- everything is fine here at the hold, but sadly a bit slow. though im sure things will be picking up in a few day :evillaugh:. so how are you all in the F[W] doing? also is streetz better yet, or is he still sick?

[AlasterEisaroh]

Streetz is feeling fine, but still very busy. Also the F [W] is fine too, but also slow right now.

[Grumpherys]

you are sadly mistaken my friend, see through the power of magic, we can summon mirror images of an original, and then improve upon them as we see fit. machines are good, but magic is far more flexible. so what was it you wanted to speak about?

magic has a funny issue with it though. you see if i were to take to mages next to each other and ask them both to make a chair at the same time one will likely make a wooden chair that has four legs and a back to it with no arms whilst the other would make a four legged bone chair with arms too.
that said your creation would be a mishap and if forgotten it would simply disappear read "the eternal ice" -jeff grub it'll help you with your.. assumption.

[ThunderHog]

@TH - well then how about we have a chat about phyrexian perfection vs magical mastery. now im sure you can guess which one i choose :D

Works for me - but first, we should describe how that they're better than the original. A Phyrexian Rager for example, was once a human. It was a human and has been dramatically enhanced by it's mechanic parts. It's bigger, stronger, and doesn't hesitate to respond to command. In Yawgmoth, there is no need for free will. I would use my Battleflies as an example here as they did technically start as mosquitoes, but so much of their organic compounds were removed that there are actually none left. They're now composed of 100% machinery. Though the original body structure is almost identical, their mechanical parts make them stronger and more intelligent in the form of responding to commands.

[Friend Mairsil]

magic has a funny issue with it though. you see if i were to take to mages next to each other and ask them both to make a chair at the same time one will likely make a wooden chair that has four legs and a back to it with no arms whilst the other would make a four legged bone chair with arms too.
that said your creation would be a mishap and if forgotten it would simply disappear read "the eternal ice" -jeff grub it'll help you with your.. assumption.

how funny, im sure you read my name...right? so im sure you know that i was the one that told jodah that. of course i said it under the mask of lim-dul, but eh, still the same :D now if i may, i can correct what you said:
if you put two mages together and have them both summon a chair, both will summon a chair to the exact way they believe a chair to truly be. which in other words means, they will summon there picture of a chair. that is why jodah summoned a wood chair, while i summoned a throne made of bones :D
magic is as you make it. in almost the same way you make a phyrexian, it can be said that they are the stages of a magician/mage/spellshaper/whatever. first you need to remove the blocks in their mind, your obidence* to yawgmoth. second they need to be taught the correct path, again wisdom through yawgmoth. thrid they must be made stronger body/mind wise, your powerful augmentations*. and here is where we differ. as a mage i can either be my own boss or under contract to whoever would pay, while you on the other hand, must now obey and follow orders...i think i know why they choose that name now...damn took that long....i need to stop :smokin:...but anyways, there you go ;)

@TH - a mage is better than a human, becuase he's a human above humans. also he's better than a phyrexian(hopefully this doesnt come out wrong) because he can adapt far faster, becuase he learns what he need to, and doesnt need a grant from on high to give him stronger body parts...i think i said that right.

[ThunderHog]

@TH - a mage is better than a human, because he's a human above humans. also he's better than a phyrexian (hopefully this doesn't come out wrong) because he can adapt far faster, because he learns what he need to, and doesn't need a grant from on high to give him stronger body parts...i think i said that right.

That is an interesting way to look at it and I completely see your point, but it's when the Phyrexian GETS those parts is when he actually BECOMES a Phyrexian. Also, when the said mage dies, that's usually it. When a Phyrexian dies, depending on the condition that his body is in, he can either be recycled and his parts can be used elsewhere or sometimes he can even be revived. With this, a Phyrexian never truly dies.

If I may go off topic for a second, I was working on my custom set when I came across an old flavor text I have on a card. When I re-read it, I thought to myself "That's something Yawgmoth might say." and I laughed. The text reads:

"Some call it a sin against nature. I call it giving evolution a helping hand."

[Grumpherys]

sorry i could not quote the book exactly to the part for it was not in hand but i do know that shortly after that the chair disappeared where a machine would not, also to point out is your computer magic made? hmmm? lol

[Friend Mairsil]

That is an interesting way to look at it and I completely see your point, but it's when the Phyrexian GETS those parts is when he actually BECOMES a Phyrexian. Also, when the said mage dies, that's usually it. When a Phyrexian dies, depending on the condition that his body is in, he can either be recycled and his parts can be used elsewhere or sometimes he can even be revived. With this, a Phyrexian never truly dies.

first ones true, no denying that. though on the mages side he earns through hardwork which makes his gifts far more special and if good enough, adaptable. now the second statement is sort of right, but again a mage can live for forever if he is good enough. i.e. barren, i would say jodah, but he was dipped in a pool of something...anyways. yes and a mages note/books that he has written through out his life are usually kept in a libary for others to learn. which immortalizes him in word. so a mage never dies :D
which card was that from, cause i swear ive read that before.. and i think yawgmoth did say that before.


sorry i could not quote the book exactly to the part for it was not in hand
book wasnt in my hand either ;) no excuse.

but i do know that shortly after that the chair disappeared where a machine would not,
the chairs were unsummoned, and a machine chair could be dismatled or shattered.

also to point out is your computer magic made? hmmm? lol
of course not. why would i waste my time and power in summoning and maintaining a complex machine. when i could get one made by a mindless machine that i can exploit. mages dont only study magic ;) but i believe you only study machines....

[Grumpherys]

mages dont only study magic ;) but i believe you only study machines....

I.... read... /cry, well okay you have me on the shatter but, and man am i getting off topic..., there will always be counters and artifact destruction... ohh well, friend mairsil I would love to get more in depth over the artifact/phyrexians vs magic by mage... on another thread lol.

[Maleficent]

but i believe you only study machines....

We combine life and artifice into perfection. :) There are also some Phyrexian mages (in a sense, at least), though I imagine they'd take a lot more time to breed and so are usually not worth it, given Phyrexia's limited resources. And it's just so much easier to use spinal implants. :D Resistance is futile. :p

So what's the 'Hold up to these days, eh?

[Friend Mairsil]

well were still trying to avoid those implants:p, but past that were on a recruitment drive, and discussing a idea for a interclan contest, though im sure we should talking to the other clans too...hmm...really im just trying to get things running again, we have a few things, but more are always needed.

[Maleficent]

Jasi, never enough... tell me about it. Although for the interclan idea, it need not be a contest, per se. :paranoid: There are many things which can unite people for a common cause; cooperatively or not. :D

[§cIoN]

Jasi, never enough... tell me about it. Although for the interclan idea, it need not be a contest, per se. There are many things which can unite people for a common cause; cooperatively or not.
Yes yes, but...a clan warz tournament would be amazing:D...I hope.:paranoid:

[Syphon]

A common enemy can rally people to a common cause! :D
...why is everyone looking at me like that?

[Friend Mairsil]

Jasi, never enough... tell me about it. Although for the interclan idea, it need not be a contest, per se. There are many things which can unite people for a common cause; cooperatively or not.
well then, if i may ask, what would you like to see out of this clan-interaction, or better yet; what would you suggest?


Yes yes, but...a clan warz tournament would be amazing
i would tend to agree with you, but a tourny would be a bit of work right now, and would also be something i would like to see on going. i think right now a contest will do just as well. i was thinking a sort of tribal contest, not full tribal cause i hate that 20 creature thing, but themed :D perferably one that would show off your clan, i.e. you build a phyrexian themed something, we build a lorehold themed something, and we keep a score card for those decks. have sideboards (just saying) , and after you've played every clans deck once, you may then make changes to your build or even change the deck completely. sort of like a rotating meta.

EDIT: i think i just rambled into a tourny that can be on going and gets every clan involved with little work. YAY!!!!

[Luthervamplord]

A Clan war may not be too unfeasible - provided that we could agree on a simple format to which we can all play.

Hmmm, let me Meditate on this one - Perhaps we can bring it about

[Maleficent]

...what would you suggest?

Hm, I have a couple ideas, but they lack... brilliance, though maybe something better can come of them? Well one was taking into mind the different perceptions of each clan. The whole point of a clan is a group of people with similar interests, so each clan has different interests and views, typically, and that could probably be used... somehow... like a debate thing? We had a debate within the Order, though most all members agreed on opinions, I think (after lots of digressions XD), which kind of killed it. :/

My other thought was similar to a contest in that we're all competing, but in a more... interactive sort of way, I guess. Don't have any decent examples, but I suppose it'd be more like a game than a battle. And it could be many things, I think. :hmm: My brain isn't working so good nowadays. XD

[Friend Mairsil]

like a debate thing? We had a debate within the Order, though most all members agreed on opinions, I think (after lots of digressions ), which kind of killed it. :/

i think you may have something here. debating is one of my favorite pasttimes, though usually i do it in real life, but im sure written word will be just as well. though it does pose one problem, debates lead to flaming, which the mods wont like. so i guess i we would have to pick the topic very carefully.

[Mad Mat]

We had a debate within the Order, though most all members agreed on opinions, I think (after lots of digressions XD), which kind of killed it. :/
Actually, I think I killed it. But I started it as well, so that's only fair. Turns out there was nobody really convincing me to grant elven rights either. I love these moral free cards! Now back to this vivisection.


so i guess i we would have to pick the topic very carefully.
In my experience, all debates that include disagreements end in flaming after a while. And if there are no disagreements, all parties will just start flaming the absent disagreeing party.

[Michael_Zeora]

I'm fine with debates, and since I'll be the moderator in the LH form I'll watch it like a hawk...

[DazBoot]

Excellent, what are we debating?

[Maleficent]

Actually, I think I killed it. But I started it as well, so that's only fair. Turns out there was nobody really convincing me to grant elven rights either. I love these moral free cards! Now back to this vivisection.

Nah, I went off topic all over the place and you killed that :p but most everyone agreed on the topic itself.

We had something of a debate going on before at this site, and that went pretty well imo. I think it'd work. :D


Excellent, what are we debating?

Good question!

Ah... any suggestions? :P

[Syphon]

The horrific abuse of Magic at the hands of Mark SwampwateR?

[Michael_Zeora]

you won't get me to admit this so I recommend those who want to use this against me to take a screencap it'll last longer.

I agree with Syphon on that particular statement.

[Maleficent]

*and the world as we know it collapses*

[Syphon]

You keep agreeing with me, MZ. Are you okay?
*dodges falling pieces of reality* The more I watch Magic, the more I am convinced that Swampwater has his own agenda and that if you put all the cards of his hand together, a map to hell is spawned.

[Friend Mairsil]

maybe we should continue along the lines that me and TH were going.

[Maleficent]

Mages vs. Artificers? Sounds interesting...

[Syphon]

Well...I think that it can go either way. Mages can cast spells like Obliterate but artificers have things like the Golgothan Sylex.

[Yawgmoth]

"Eugenicists" have Phyresis...

Also, there are interesting things ahead for us, Lorehold. Hopefully you can provide some great competition for us in the near future.
//Order.

[ThunderHog]

Not to mention Artificers have things like Darksteel Forge - which renders your Obliterate nearly useless. Mwhahaha!!!

I still like my Beetles though. They help keep me warm. XD

[Friend Mairsil]

true darksteel forge is great, but with a meddling mage around things can still be hard :D

[ThunderHog]

Meddling Mage DOES make things difficult, but so does Platinum Angel. XD

Also, does anyone else think that there should be a separate thread for all of this discussion? That is, unless the LH doesn't mind being the communal thread. Lol.

[Friend Mairsil]

no i believe your right TH. so do we just make a new thread under inter-debate?

[shadow_walker]

I still like my Beetles though. They help keep me warm. XD

And stay crunchy in milk.

[ThunderHog]

no i believe your right TH. so do we just make a new thread under inter-debate?

Communal Clan Thread!

[Tynion]

*NOTE - Advertisement :)*

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[shaitan666]

Hey! I'd like to join the Lorehold, famous clan of also famous characters such as the cricket and luther and mairsil. Allow me in if possible :D.

[Luthervamplord]

Shaitan666 - I'll alert MZ as to your application as soon as possible. To speed things up I need you to do the following:

Click 'User CP', then on the bottom left find the option 'Group Membership' then on the presented screen choose the option for the Lorehold - MZ might have an entry test for you (A newbie is the best person to ask about that) but either way I'm going to support your entry Shaitan; seeing your posts around the forum I consider you a fairly great guy and you seem to be the style of person for this clan.

[shaitan666]

Thanks Luther! I'll do as you said right now.

[ThunderHog]

@Syphon: I may sound offensive now (insert rest of post here)

*applause*

Forgive me for intruding, but I noticed that you, Syphon, were also doing the same thing in the Order's thread awhile back. You've since stopped, but it annoyed me as well during that time. IMO, you should just leave the entire clan section alone and don't even bother reading it...

[Maleficent]

I would like to see that drawing if you ever get around to it, Seph. ^^

BTW, I think you're just encouraging him. (Is that how the Chaotic Evil ones work? I really don't know.) Some call it "feeding the Troll." That fits rather well, I think.

[Luthervamplord]

Guys, whilst I appreciate and I'm sure MZ does as well - please stop this line of conversation for now.

Yes I'll admit that it stings a fair bit when Syphon refers to it as 'My Clan' when he's no longer a contributing member and is very, very likely never to be again; he is a friend of mine, which is why we have this clan in the first place.

Syphon, I respectfully ask that you lay off on the power trip your pushing right now - Pissing off the man and forcing me to step in AGAIN is not something I want to be put through again and to be honest I don't feel our friendship would survive another round like that.

Posters, if Syphon is posting in this manner - DO NOT DIRECT COMMENTS AT IT; ignore it, blank it, put him on your ignore list and never see he's posts again if needs be but don't do this again. We're supposed to be a social group after all and this borders on character assassination (Though I confess there isn't a shortage of material to draw on).

[Friend Mairsil]

yes actually it has a bit. were a clan that allows its memebr to presue what they wish and bring back info or any knowledge they can share. slightly different but sort of the same. though i must ask that you refrain from rattling the cage. its will only get you in trouble, and bring down our recruitment drive. please if you wish to carry on this discussion PM me or those you wish to speak to. thank you.

[DazBoot]

Syphon, here are my thoughts based on the last couple posts:

I'd like to start off with the fact that I am actually very neutral with this matter. While I was part of the [Lorehold] when Luther stepped down and we had the entire "incident" (I'll just call it that for now and leave it there...) I was not a particularly important/active member at that given point in time. I have since done a little but more research and reading about the history and as such have come to a more complete understanding about what really had happened up to that point. My interpretation is this: While it is not against any rules of the forums, I believe several of the [Lorehold] members believe that it is still presumptuous of you to refer to the [Lorehold] as your clan. One of the reasons being the manner in which you left, and the amount of behind the back work and trickery that went with it (on all sides) One thing that they don't all see, which I have come to, is that while many of your actions might have been considered unacceptable, they were fueled not by spite, but by the passion you have towards the ideals and practices that is the [Lorehold] After reading all the way back to your creation of the clan, I can see that same love of the sotrylines and flavor of magic that you still posses today. As I said before, I still stand neutral on this point, while I do believe that some of your actions and stances in the clan were less than ideal (in my opinion) I can see the reasoning and energy that drove you towards them, and at the same deeply respect you for that.

As for the current situation of the clan: While we have become somewhat diluted on particular brands of magic flavor, I don't think that we have given up on your founding theory so much as expanded on it. The [Lorehold] has come to stand for the collection of knowledge, including not only the story line and everything to do with that, but other aspect such as the game theory behind it, alternate formats, and even the creation of our own stories and traditions. While we no longer strictly abide by the form you laid down upon creation we now have taken that form and expanded it into an ideal that we still actively pursue. As for the creation and management of the Office of Storylines, I cannot speak for other members of the clan, but I personally have been following it avidly. I am deeply interested and (reasonably) informed on the story lines and would be happy to be a more active participant on that thread. The only reasons I have not jumped in already is because most of the topics you have been discussing have been ones particularly outside of the knowledge I have combined with the lack of time I have to dedicate to this forum. Look for me in the future!

[Michael_Zeora]

I'm just glad I didn't have to say a thing. My opinions are open and I'll discuss them in a manner that is proper. When asked in proper fashon.

I think Daz somes up everything I would like to defend myself on.

[Yawgmoth]

I was first considering to simply offer you a very simple solution to all Syphon-related issues, the Ignore List - but then I realized that doesn't remove his posts for those who would seek to join the Lorehold, or such things... So, I suggest talking to the Clan Moderator Neuromancer. Even though Syphon doesn't break the forum-laws in this thread, I would think getting rid of unwanted guests is the right of a clan? (If the whole/majority of your clan agrees upon that, of course.)

[gamerpunk666]

this ight sound like spam but, i just noticed Mz's new avvy&banner and i must say that it is truly amazing.

[Friend Mairsil]

@G6 - you know it really is. never really looked at it; seeing as, MZ always has something new or classic on. really i want to see catbread return. though this time, i would like for him not to get me an infraction XD

Alrighty then, whats been going on with anyone that reads this thread :D

also a [Lorehold] run contest is now in the works...more to come.... ;)

[NOTE]
i need to stop using smilies as periods....:paranoid: <---- see what i mean!!!

[shaitan666]

this ight sound like spam but, i just noticed Mz's new avvy&banner and i must say that it is truly amazing.

Is that Ganondorf?

[Michael_Zeora]

Yes it is Ganondorf as he appears in Twilight Princess

[Tynion]

Greatings former clanmates. I would like to ask a favor, or even offer a fun tidbit if you guys are interested.

I am developing a new game/contest, and I need test subjects. Reality is that I need around 13-15 guys to try it out, find the bugs, and let me know how it goes. I really don't want it in the public view in the case that it sucks hardcore and I look like a boob... yea.

Let me know if you guys are interested in trying it out.

[DazBoot]

What exactly does being your test dummy entail? I'm interested, but a little wary to commit to anything that vague... (mostly due to time constraints)

[Michael_Zeora]

Tynion - you have my support. As long as it doesn't get in the way of my other tasks on MDV / RL then I'm fine.

[Luthervamplord]

ty's filled me in on the details; I'll post it up inside the private forum to avoid spilling the beans too soon for him.

[Tynion]

Luther, I can send you a CLEAN LOL thought out outline. I'll email it over.

Thanks guys, it is not time consuming, outside of talking and clicking a button. You do that on a daily basis as is :)

[Neuromancer]

I was first considering to simply offer you a very simple solution to all Syphon-related issues, the Ignore List - but then I realized that doesn't remove his posts for those who would seek to join the Lorehold, or such things... So, I suggest talking to the Clan Moderator Neuromancer. Even though Syphon doesn't break the forum-laws in this thread, I would think getting rid of unwanted guests is the right of a clan? (If the whole/majority of your clan agrees upon that, of course.)

Getting rid of unwanted guests is indeed a clan's prerogative, and that's why we do not encourage people from other clans to post in a given clan's thread. If ANYONE comes to your public threads and disrupts the discussion, feel free to shoot me a PM and I'll take care of it.

[Friend Mairsil]

thank you neuro, but i believe we can handle it ;)

sign me up Tynion :D

[Tynion]

Do you think you can get around 10 or so guys to play?

[Luthervamplord]

We're working on it Tynion; but I feel you'll need to contact MZ on this one - afraid I had to hand it off since my time-schedule got busy at work all of a sudden

[Friend Mairsil]

yeah that and you need to send an example of gameplay, there has been lots of question as to the exact rules.

[BurnBait]

Could I be considered a friend of the clan?

[Friend Mairsil]

i see no reason not to accept you as a friend. unless of course your a spy for the clanless, but either way, welcome "friend"

[BurnBait]

I'm actually a member of the DeckMechs... Does that count as "Spy for the clanless"? jk. Thanks, new/old friend!

[EpilepticCricket]

You're a friend in my book. Even if you weren't, you're still a damn good deck builder!

[Luthervamplord]

Burnbait has been officially added to the list of friends.

[Friend Mairsil]

I'm actually a member of the DeckMechs... Does that count as "Spy for the clanless"? jk. Thanks, new/old friend!

wow i had no idea....though it does make sense. seeing as the your totally deckmech material. man i shouldv'e know from your sig...

I offer a specific viewpoint - the competitive one. I'm not out to get you, your deck, or to crush creativity.
i mean doesnt that say it all.

anyways, welcome friend :D

[Ryuzaki]

So how are you guys doing, what have you been up to?

[Friend Mairsil]

we've been doing quite fine. in the middle of building as sweet core set. beta testing a few games, lots of fun. past that, if i said anymore, id have to kill you :p

how has the order been doing?

[DazBoot]

I also am bound by many secrets of the hold. But I shall point out that we all need to encourage FM to get on and reply to my challenge!

[Friend Mairsil]

and what challenge is this good sir, cause you know im always game ;)

[BurnBait]

The one where I offered to supply you with a deck, I believe. The one where a number of people backed either candidate, with syphon on boot's side?

[shalva]

Hee Hee.. this clan sounds like alot of fun I'm not sure if it might be written sumwhere else and if it is I apologize but how does one join the clan 0.o.

[Michael_Zeora]

User CP -> Group Memberships (towards the bottom) then say you wish to join Lorehold.

I'll get your PM that is sent automaticly after you choose this clan, so that I can test before allowing you entrance. The test is a simple 10 questions on Magic and your knowledge there of. Resources of the net may be used as normal.

Once you have completed the test (and passed) you'll be allowed entry.

[Friend Mairsil]

The one where I offered to supply you with a deck, I believe. The one where a number of people backed either candidate, with syphon on boot's side?
o yea...so when you gonna send the deck?

[DazBoot]

I'm thoroughly confused right now... why exactly am I dueling FM? On a side note, BurnBait, I'm working on developing some rogue decks to be tournament competitive would you (or anyone else reading this) be interested in working with me?

[BurnBait]

Definitely. Drop me a line sometime.

[MaxfireXSA]

How things going guys?

@Michael Zeora: I request to join you, because I already said sorry to you.

@Luthervamplord: I like your picture in your first post, I wish I'll be in this clan.

[Michael_Zeora]

your request is still pending

[MaxfireXSA]

your request is still pending

Okay, just give yourself a time, and we'll be happy.

[shaitan666]

Okay, looks like Max is trying too hard.
Max you have a history of pointlessness and sumbmission that I (as far i have seen) does not fit the Lorehold, maybe you can contribute somehow to the thte MDV community, but I have yet to see a single tip on deckbuilding, all I see is you b******g about something or posting something virtually useleses.
While I apreciate your focus on trying to make us laugh, usually you fail as a deckbuilder, something that is criitical in our brotherhood, try a little harder and the great seers might consider giviing you a chance.

[DazBoot]

I actually disagree with Shaitan, while being a deck-builder is nice in the Lorehold, it is not a necessity. What bother's me more is what happened last time we allowed you in the Lorehold you were not only not contributing as a member (something that I could forgive) but with our struggle over leadership you acted in a manner that was not only poorly thought out but offensive to others. While I am aware that you have apologized to those that you have insulted, and I am on the road to forgiving you, I still feel that you have not changed since then. Your intentions seem good, but you also seem to still lack the level of focus to control them. I don't say this to upset you, but to attempt to give you some advice to guide your future.

In the end though, this is only my opinion, MZ and his aids (two hands and foot) are ultimately responsible for telling you what you need to hear. I can only advise that you accept their judgement (whatever it be) and use that to learn and grow.

[MaxfireXSA]

I actually disagree with Shaitan, while being a deck-builder is nice in the Lorehold, it is not a necessity. What bother's me more is what happened last time we allowed you in the Lorehold you were not only not contributing as a member (something that I could forgive) but with our struggle over leadership you acted in a manner that was not only poorly thought out but offensive to others. While I am aware that you have apologized to those that you have insulted, and I am on the road to forgiving you, I still feel that you have not changed since then. Your intentions seem good, but you also seem to still lack the level of focus to control them. I don't say this to upset you, but to attempt to give you some advice to guide your future.

In the end though, this is only my opinion, MZ and his aids (two hands and foot) are ultimately responsible for telling you what you need to hear. I can only advise that you accept their judgement (whatever it be) and use that to learn and grow.

I learn my responsibility, but I already know and hear what you've said, and I can focus on what you're saying, and I said sorry to MZ if I want to be in the [Lorehold], and if I can join the [Lorehold], then I won't gonna make mistake.

But let me make you happy Dazboot, do you want me to make the [Lorehold] clan logo much better that Michael Zeora can accept me to join?

[DazBoot]

But let me make you happy Dazboot, do you want me to make the [Lorehold] clan logo much better that Michael Zeora can accept me to join?

I'm confused, what do you mean by this?

[3nd3r]

i think he's offering to remake the logo or something to that effect.

[BurnBait]

I don't have any say in this, but if it was me, I'd consider waiting for a while and solidifying respect for you by the members of the lorehold. Anyone in the clan butting heads against your app is a sure sign that you're not ready for them, or they're not ready for you. Relax, maybe build up your reputation as a beneficial member of this community a bit more, and then you'll have a better chance of succeeding in your goal. Untimely haste outside of magic is a waste of your time and efforts, and I believe you are doomed to failure if you persist in the belief that pushing hard enough for long enough will grant you everything you desire.

[Friend Mairsil]

well said ^, ^^^^^, ^^^^^^. wait....*looks around* this isnt the Humor and games sections...XD

@shiatan - this clan accepts anyone who puts forth effort in the game of magic. be it deck building skills, intimate knowledge with the storyline, or even just an urge to play a game. remember we are a clan of the people, where no matter what your skill is, you are a valued member who can learn and expand as he/she see fit.

@MAX - at the moment your application is still being talk over, though i feel you will not make the cut this time around. but thats not to say you can never join again. instead look at it like a challenge. build your Rep in the community, and work on your people/magic skills. then im sure we be morethan willing to let you back in. just dont come back in a day and say you've done it, as that will lead to you not being accepted. also i would like to see that new logo if you still want to make it ;)

[Friend Mairsil]

i have a question for anyone that reads this: If you could be able to cast only one spell from Magic in RL what spell would it be and why?

[ThunderHog]

Telepathy - I can know what you're thinking and when you're thinking it, and you wouldn't even know it.

[BurnBait]

reins of power. I imagine that in reality, it'd be used like playing god rather than giving your opponent your stuff. Mastery of the world FTW much?

[DazBoot]

Time Stop =)

Either that or Incinerate, but that would be just amusing...

[ThunderHog]

Either that or Incinerate, but that would be just amusing...

I know what you're thinking, and you're thinking of bursting me into flames... Damn...

[Michael_Zeora]

One spell... um... Mindslaver I can think of a few people that I would like to take over for a turn or so. (On that note maybe fix a few world problems)

[Luthervamplord]

Damnation would be nice - DEATH TO CHAVS!

That or I'd like to be enchanted with Wheel of Sun and Moon so I could spend all the money I liked because it would end up in my pocket!

[Ryuzaki]

Luther, the chavs don't know any better don't blame them.

Wheel of Sun and Moon recurring money?! Brilliant!

[Michael_Zeora]

makes sense... I mean, you put the card at the bottom of your library. Cards cost Money. So Sun and Moon on self should put money back into you pocket after spending.

It's a magical version of coin on a string. -- Brilliant once again to Luther.

[Luthervamplord]

Luther, the chavs don't know any better don't blame them.

Ignorance of the laws of nature is no defence against them - get an education, get a job, get some fashion sense and get out of the stinking pub before 3am!


makes sense... I mean, you put the card at the bottom of your library. Cards cost Money. So Sun and Moon on self should put money back into you pocket after spending.

It's a magical version of coin on a string. -- Brilliant once again to Luther.

Hey, got to have a few moments of clarity every now and then to offset the stupid things we do, like kiss our ex......

[Friend Mairsil]

Hey, got to have a few moments of clarity every now and then to offset the stupid things we do, like kiss our ex......

im not gonna comment, well beside saying that im not gonna comment XD but i do have a question, it just maybe that im a little slow at the moment :smokin: :paranoid: but what is a Chav?

[Luthervamplord]

Council Housed And Violent - Chav

[grim]

hmm got this great PM from FM just a few mins ago and i wasn't really planning on joining a clan again but his pm got me reading your clan description and i'll think i'm gonna aply :P and see if i like the place but with all the cool members you guys have i don't think that will be a problem :D

[Friend Mairsil]

i dont thinks so either ;) ill be waiting to see you in the hold.

[Tyler Durden]

Hey, I'd like to apply here for membership if that's okay.

It looks like the best clan for me.

[3nd3r]

looks like we got new members flooding in. or are they spies from the other clans... :paranoid: :paranoid: :paranoid:

[Friend Mairsil]

not spies...i think :paranoid:

@tyler - well we would be more than happy to have you, though if i may ask: what about the clan most appeals to you?

[Michael_Zeora]

looks like we got new members flooding in. or are they spies from the other clans... :paranoid: :paranoid: :paranoid:

Paranoia is a side effect of Lorehold, but it only happens to the 1% of all entrees.

[Seph]

Ah feels great to come back to MDV and see so many new faces joining our clan halls....

[Zhou_tai]

Hello all Zhou here reapplying to join the [Lorehold]

[Friend Mairsil]

what your not in....weird i thought you were. you should PM MZ and im sure he'll reinstate you ;)

to everyone one else, thats right, we at the hold are looking for new members. we have tons of things going right, and would love to get a fresh perspective. so if you ever thought of joining, now is the time. come and be part of a whole, instead of just another member.

[Sensei kakashi]

And what’s wrong with being just another member? You guys aren't discriminatory against members are you? No biasness goings on right? :P

[Luthervamplord]

We at the Lorehold would like to take the oppurtunity to state that there is nothing wrong with being a Clanless member of MDv or indeed a member of another clan besides the Lorehold.

We appreciate that the Lorehold is not the be-all and end-all of the Clans and we also accept that personal tastes and styles may draw you in other directions - We at the Loreholds would like to say that we would rather you choose another Clan and be happy with your choice; take the right path for you.

But if you're interested in a fairly casual gathering of friends who share a thirst for Comradely and a free flow of advice, knowledge and the wealth of personal experience that everyone has then maybe we're the clan for you.

Should you have any questions regarding the Clan then approach one of us through PM or through this thread - between the hyperactivity of Friend_Mairsil and the considerate nature of our Lord of Ceremony Michael_Zeora I'm confident that your question will be answered speedily and honestly.

[Michael_Zeora]

And what’s wrong with being just another member? You guys aren't discriminatory against members are you? No biasness goings on right? :P

Unlike the Lorehold under Luther's vision I do worry about Clan Member activities, only those members who wish to leave, are booted out through talks between the higher members of the Clan, or inactivity without prior notice. Leave the clan.

Also the 10 Question Entry process, which is not needed for former members returning, but in that case of a former member returning there is a small chat between the higher ups of the clan (i.e. the Lorehold Masters and myself)

[Friend Mairsil]

And what’s wrong with being just another member? You guys aren't discriminatory against members are you? No biasness goings on right? :p

nothing unless, well i guess nothing :paranoid: and it depend on what type of member in which you speak XD

me bias, o heavens no. though i am partial to candy :p

[AlasterEisaroh]

/me requests friendship with The [Lorehold].

[Luthervamplord]

Ae has been accepted as a Friend of the Lorehold

[ShaKadelic]

One Question: What kind of advantage do i get from being member of this clan; and what benefits does the clan get from a new member?

[Friend Mairsil]

the advantages are many. one being you get a new sub-forum to post in. though to be fair everyone gets this when joining a clan, but unllike other clans, this is run by its members instead of its leaders. if you have an idea you want to test, we are more than happy to help. also the fellowship and support of your fellow clansmen in anything you do. we run games, contest, and have research going on.

what we get from new mebers is higher numbers, and the access to gain new insight and knowledge in things that they know about.

just know this is a clan run by its members. so if you dont like the place, try and enact a change. nothing is off limits, well besides flaming, of course.

[final_press]

One Question: What kind of advantage do i get from being member of this clan; and what benefits does the clan get from a new member?

It would be a mutual exchange of awesomeness! :D Plus we're quite an active and productive group, so there's plenty going on in the sub-forum. Join up! :alright:


this is run by its members instead of its leaders.

It's true, I've already introduced a new rule whereby FM must address me as "My Leige" at all times. (FM you might have missed the memo on that one!)

[Friend Mairsil]

wait whats this? my liege, XD i think not homie, but good sir may be an option :D

[Michael_Zeora]

It's true, I've already introduced a new rule whereby FM must address me as "My Leige" at all times. (FM you might have missed the memo on that one!)

*ah hemm!*

I believe the Lorehold is a combination of members and leaders rule, all else fails, I makes the decisions, and gets all the blame either way. It's a good system. IF the members believe in doing something, I just stand back and watch, if it needs Clan support, done. IF I believe it's worth doing, I check with everyone to make sure it's all good, if so, done, if not, talk and figure out the problems.

[Devious little fox]

My name needs to be changed

[Friend Mairsil]

wrong thread again, DLF?

[Devious little fox]

What r u talking about it says my name is still wolverine in the members list where am i supposed to post?

[Friend Mairsil]

ahhh, i see. ill get right on it ;)

[Devious little fox]

:E lol you had me tripping out for a sec

[shadow_walker]

That's the evil plan.

[Devious little fox]

How evil does a plan have to be to be considered evil and then how much more evil does it have to be to be "The" evil plan?

[Friend Mairsil]

pretty evil if memory serves me correctly :D like...killing babies evil...i cant seem to be able to think of anything more wrong.

[3nd3r]

i can but that's one experience i'm not sharing. :p hehe i made a pun.

[Michael_Zeora]

How evil does a plan have to be to be considered evil and then how much more evil does it have to be to be "The" evil plan?

a plan - a set of moves in order to accomplish a goal

a evil plan - a set of malicious moves in order to accomplish a selfish goal

THE Evil Plan - a set of plans owned by an individual (or group) of malicious move in order to accomplish a selfish goal.

[Luthervamplord]

Your name has been changed DLF - sorry about that

[Devious little fox]

thank you and i was no big problem

[Insidious]

Greetings,

I was told to seek council with the wise members of the Lorehold. If you would allow me, I would like to join.

[Friend Mairsil]

Of course you can join. though you will have to wait for our joyous leader to emerge from the eye of the storm before you can be allowed to actually enter the clan. ;)

[Insidious]

Well, they say patience is a virtue. *twitch*

[Luthervamplord]

I'll prod MZ for you Insidious; he'll pay attention to avampire "breathing down his neck" so to speak.

[Michael_Zeora]

Prodding doesn't work when the Electric can't get from the battery on the rod to the victim of your choice - thus the problem of my happenstance. No power until today - so Luther - I will see to you IRC / MSN / Whichever tomorrow.


Greetings,

I was told to seek council with the wise members of the Lorehold. If you would allow me, I would like to join.

The VERY Joyous leader at the moment is quite pleased with power - thusly he gives it onto those who ask. Just give a quick apply in.

User CP -> (Menu on the Left) -> Group Membership -> Join [Lorehold]

I will be able to authentic the membership from there - after a quick test of knowledge of the game of MTG.

[AlasterEisaroh]

Hello, I'm just seeing where the Lorehold is in terms of the MDV MTG Set.

[Eldros]

So I wanted to ask a question, and as [Lorehold], as the name suggest, seems to represent some kind of Guardians of the Hold, and for some other reasons, I thought it could be appropriate to ask here.

So here goes nothing: What kind of person would be interested to enter each of the clan? (i.e. what would be the profile of the members of each clan?)

You might have guessed my motives behind this question, which is that I consider joining a clan, though it is yet to be a sure thing.

Now, whatever I decide to do, I'd like to be friend with [Lorehold], as I consider the sharing of knowledge a good base for community. This is a thing I do gladly when I think it could be useful, or when sollicited. :)

[Luthervamplord]

I'll field this question guys.

Each clan offers something over the other in the terms of who you will spend time with and what that clan actively does.

The Order are well known for their highly skilled and motivated members - they are probably the clan to talk to if you wish to take part in contests and competitions.

The Wizards are founded and run by a large number of the older, somewhat wiser members of the forum and indeed has Streetz among it's number so they are the people to talk to if you seek a more open-field approach to a clan.

The Brotherhood (If they still function) were built on a principle of unity and forward motion - It's original founder had decided he wanted more events, more player vs player interaction and generally "more for his buck" when it came to a clan. They are currently experiencing some difficulties however so I can't guarantee anything on them presently.

The Deckmech's do what they say on the label - they were founded on the principle that they would improve their ability to play the game and construct decks. They have some of the best Deck-aids among their numbers and they are competent opponents both online and offline.

The League of Defilement is a odd-ball clan (I mean no offense by this Defiler) in that although it's public image is well defined, it's intention and motives are not - but they seem to consist of a large number of the younger generation so I'd suggest they are somewhat more lively and modern then the other clans.

Finally, the Lorehold was originally constructed on the concept that all knowledge, regardless of source is valid and that the views and opinions of "Newbies" are just as valid as those of someone who has been playing for some time. To this end, we engage in the constant trade of knowledge and advice in a relaxed environment.

I hope this goes some way to answering your question Eldros and I also hope that my answer has been as balanced and honest as possible.

[Michael_Zeora]

Well, then maybe you should look and speak with a couple of the Lorehold members, which I'm sure any of the following people (including myself) would gladly speak on any topic of interest.

Michael_Zeora - Clan Leader
Friend Marsil - Master Rank
Luthervamplord - Master Rank
Seph - Master Rank
Dazboot - Magus Rank
final_press - Magus Rank
Scion - Wizard Rank
Female_Kaldra_Is_Hot - Apprentice Rank

I have very simple requirement for joining Lorehold:
A) Know the Game of MTG (or be willing to learn quickly) [yes there's a test]
B) Be just another one of the guys (and gals)
C) Don't piss MZ off. (hard to do - but not impossible)

[final_press]

final_press - Magus Rank

I'm ranked Magus now? Why am I always the last to know? :P
It's as if you're all worried I'll stop working so hard the moment I find out I've been rewarded for it. Oh, wait... yeah, that sounds like me... :o

I'm not sure if you're aware of this Eldros, but also each clan has a private thread that only it's members have access to. It's where they hold private discussions, play games, and develop whatever projects people have understaken within the forum.

[Eldros]

@Luther: Your answer helped me narrow the clans I would like to join in a few concise words, and prove to me that the image I had from this clan by reading through the thread was a justified one. And, as much as the word of a new-comer may be worth, and it seems in this place it has its worth, I think that your description of each clan didn't put any of them in a bad light, and incited me to learn more about them. But I know that it will come in due time, as long as I stick around, and I plan too.

@MZ: I gathered as much about the test, and I'll consider it as soon as I decide to join, if I join, but you'll understand that I want to give the time. It would be bad if I took a decision in a rush and came to regret it. (Not that I found anything bad about you)

As far as I reckon, this thread would be a good place to befriend the members of [Lorehold], unless there is any rule that prevent me to do so, or that you rather see me do it in any other ways.

@fp: I was aware of it, but I appreciate that you inform me, I'm as much as you appreciated my sense of details in my avatar/signature request which resulted in the fantastic "forum gear" (I like the term, I think I'll stick with it) that I enjoy currently. ;)

[Michael_Zeora]

Of course - take your time - nothing wrong with that.

@fp - beginning of this month I was considering it.

[final_press]

@MZ: I gathered as much about the test, and I'll consider it as soon as I decide to join, if I join, but you'll understand that I want to give the time. It would be bad if I took a decision in a rush and came to regret it. (Not that I found anything bad about you)

It's a wise enough choice. I waited for a few months before joining at clan. At first I didn't really see the point in joining one, so wasn't planning to do so. Then I realised that a lot of my closer friends on the forum all belonged to the Lorehold, so I signed up largely as a way of having further interractions with those people.


As far as I reckon, this thread would be a good place to befriend the members of [Lorehold], unless there is any rule that prevent me to do so, or that you rather see me do it in any other ways.

There's no rule against it... but I'd say that the forum as a whole is a good way to get to know members of all the different clans. Each clan has it's collection of highly active members, so if you're going to stick around, I'm sure you'll get to know peopl ewell enough. :)

[Devious little fox]

what is everyone talking about, all this nonsense about talking your time and going through precautions, your supposed to rush into everything head first and without a helmet. Man, do people know anything these days?

[Michael_Zeora]

what is everyone talking about, all this nonsense about talking your time and going through precautions, your supposed to rush into everything head first and without a helmet. Man, do people know anything these days?

The Force of Blitz Aggro is strong in this one...

[Friend Mairsil]

what is everyone talking about, all this nonsense about talking your time and going through precautions, your supposed to rush into everything head first and without a helmet. Man, do people know anything these days?

well, if i were to guess, then id say they saw the end result of someone rushing in head first, and ending up on the floor will spilled brains. though i must admit it was one hell of a sight to watch. so yes people, rush in head first and amuse me :D

[Eldros]

what is everyone talking about, all this nonsense about talking your time and going through precautions, your supposed to rush into everything head first and without a helmet. Man, do people know anything these days?

I got burn very much by trying to involve myself into too many different project. So I learned my lesson, and pan out my effort. Moreover, I don't feel like joining a clan yet, but was anyway curious about them.

[Streetz]

Please post your nominations in the MDV Forum Awards.

Start off with your top five MDV articles from 2008.
http://magicdeckvortex.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=21133

And then move on to the rest of the categories. You may want to support members of your clan in this contest. Thank you for participating.

[Kamuro]

May I join your clan?

[Michael_Zeora]

Of course - if your willing to answer a quick 10 questions - your in. just go to.

User CP -> Group Memberships

and join Lorehold.

[Eldros]

Now that MZ has left, who is in charge of Lorehold?

[DreenDrej]

i would like to be a friend to the lorehold, though i am new i would still like to contribute any scraps of information to this website. please tell me if i can be a friend of the lorehold by pming me

[Eldros]

I note that I still didn't had my answer. Is the Lorehold dead?

[Luthervamplord]

I am Eldros - And no, we're not dead; it's just me trying to balance several plates and presently doing a bad job of it.

We're presently actually expanding our reach as it were, the Lorehold is now present on both MDV and EOV - With me running things here and sharing control over at EOV with MZ.

However, this means that with MZ no longer watching this side of the field and myself running between two sites and balancing a busy real-world life, and trying to keep an eye open here on limited Internet access, things will get missed from time to time.

So my suggestion is this - Contact myself or someone inside of the Lorehold directly if you want to bring something up with us; be it membership or a becoming a friend of the clan. Friend Mairsil is probably the best point of call; that man is everywhere and still wants to do more; so feed his addiction for me.

@ DreenDrej: You can be a Friend to the Lorehold, if you still so desire. Just let me know via PM that you are still interested and I'll add your name to the friends list.

@ Eldros: The Lorehold will never die; we might go quiet for a while, move house, lose some members and even spawn another clan or two from our own numbers but die - NEVER!

[Eldros]

I think I begin to see how much the EOV project can be a taxing one. I wish you best of luck trying to solve those time-management issues and finding the helping hands that will make your burden lighter.

Good to hear that the Lorehold won't die that easily, it would be a shame, as I find the aim of the clan a noble one. And if I could help the clan by joining it, I would gladly do it. Just let me know. ;)

[Friend Mairsil]

hey were always looking for new members ;) your presence in the 'hold would be help enough, as it would give us another voice.

[final_press]

Quick, put a brain-slug on him before he changes his mind!! *eek*

*ahem!*

I mean... personally I like Eldros, and would give him a vote of support for joining The 'Hold.

[Eldros]

No need to use such foul critters, I made my mind long before that if I ever joined a clan it would be this one. I guess now it's time. (just send my request)

[Friend Mairsil]

nice another memeber, and a communist one too. sweet :alright:

[Eldros]

I won't let this be forgotten!

[Lorehold] is always recruiting! If you are into sharing, then [Lorehold] is made for you.

And that's when I would have use of some "Uncle Sam/I want you!" kind of poster... :P

[Streetz]

Streetz here from the Forum Wizards dropping a quick message saying hi! You guys still active?

[Friend Mairsil]

some what. it could be better, but then again it could be alot worse.