Kicker+Humility

[Tekkactus]

If I have [card:65c29b5346]Humility[/card:65c29b5346] in play, can I still pay kicker costs on creatures? If I do, do they have any effect?

[Aneximines]

Originally posted by Tekkactus
If I have [card:f7b9617309]Humility[/card:f7b9617309] in play, can I still pay kicker costs on creatures?

Yes. Humility doesn't start effecting creature cards until they hit play; kicker is something you do as you play the creature spell.


If I do, do they have any effect?

...I'm not sure. I know the Emissaries (and others like Kangee that say "when ~this~ comes into play") won't work - they don't have thier comes-into-play abilities when they get into play - but I'm not sure how +1/+1 counters interact with Humility, or whether the 'volvers would get thier extra abilities.

[Einsteinmonkey]

[card:e03c337b04]Anavolver[/card:e03c337b04]
Kicker 1U and/or B
If the 1U kicker cost was paid, Anavolver comes into play with two +1/+1 counters on it and with flying.
If the B kicker cost was paid, Anavolver comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it and with “Pay 3 life: Regenerate Anavolver.”
3/3

If you pay the kicker costs, it comes into play with the counters, but once in play, the abilities are lost due to Humility.

You apply power/toughness changing effects in a series of sublayers in the following order: (a) effects from characteristic-setting abilities; (B) all other effects not specifically applied in c, d, or e; © changes from counters; (d) effects from static abilities that modify power and/or toughness but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value; and (e) effects that switch a creature's power and toughness, so you'll always apply this card at b.

Since the +1/+1 counters are applied at c, the counters will have their effect. If you pay all the kickers for Anavolver, for example, it would be a 4/4 with Humility in play.

[hogrefe]

Humility/GloriousAnthem???

[Æther Reaper]

Humility and a glorious anthem is a time stamp issue. Whichever comes first is negated by the second. So, if a humility is in play and a player puts down an anthem, his creatures become 1/2s. If a glorious is in play and a player puts down a humility, then all creatures become 0/1s.

[hogrefe]

2/2sand1/1's?Why-1?

[Aneximines]

Originally posted by hogrefe
Humility/GloriousAnthem???

[card:52f8de543e]Humility[/card:52f8de543e]
(look under "official rulings")
You apply power/toughness changing effects in a series of sublayers in the following order: (a) effects from characteristic-setting abilities; (B) all other effects not specifically applied in c, d, or e; © changes from counters; (d) effects from static abilities that modify power and/or toughness but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value; and (e) effects that switch a creature's power and toughness, so you'll always apply this card at b.

[card:52f8de543e]Glorious Anthem[/card:52f8de543e] has a static ability that modifies power/toughness but doesn't set them to specific numbers (the way [card:52f8de543e]Sorceress Queen[/card:52f8de543e] does, for example). It is therefore applied in layer (d). Humility is applied in layer (B).

Therefore, if Humility is in play and you have a Glourious Anthem, your creatures are 2/2s. This does not depend on which enchantment came into play first.

[Æther Reaper]

Wait, I thought humility was on the same layer as glorious... whoops. Thanks for clearing that up. Not to mention I forgot humility makes 1/1s, not 0/1s... whoops again.

[hogrefe]

So, turn 3 anthem, turn 4 humility works pretty well?

[hogrefe]

What about [card:33d8191f96]Sword of Fire and Ice[/card:33d8191f96] ? With humility

[Tekkactus]

The sword isn't affected by Humility. You still get a 3/3 with PfUaR and the ability because it says 'when equipped creature', not 'equipped creature gains'.

[Einsteinmonkey]

Actually the Protection from Red and Blue depends on timestamp.

[Ultima66]

Originally posted by Einsteinmonkey
Actually the Protection from Red and Blue depends on timestamp.

But really if you cared you could just move the sword a few times.

[hogrefe]

Then its off to the drawing board!